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Quote from: DWMB2 on 17 Feb, 2026 20:51Quote from: Never_Enough on 17 Feb, 2026 20:00Im sure these companies used to turn down appeals  all of the time before, now they seem to actually listen to peoples extenuating circumstances.This is still extremely rare. Just this week we've had someone who had their appeal rejected after their car got a puncture preventing them leaving the car park. I wonder if their contract with the hospital sets certain stipulations about appeals.Possibly a hospital thing. This is the second PCN I have had cancelled recently from a hospital, and the first I dont even know why as I had typed in my reg into the machine  at entry. There was no parking  fee usually , but I mustve incorrectly input my details or something.

Just an update here.I appealed explaining the situation as it was and they cancelled the ticket.Im sure these companies used to turn down appeals  all of the time before, now they seem to actually listen to peoples extenuating circumstances.

Quote from: InterCity125 on 13 Feb, 2026 17:54Approach PALS at the hospital who generally have a good track record at sorting this type of thing out.I think This was who they said to approach after the initial appeal. However if I make the appeal have I lost the chance to follow the protocol on here? Thanks

The driver parked at a  hospital due to baby needing to go into A and E.They were in there over  2 hours and had no charge on phone so was not able to pay on exit  when needing to pick other child up( usually uses G wallet).It was 23/1/26(Friday). They explained this to reception who told them to ring back the next day to pay, but the next day was Saturday and they  wasn't available until Monday. At this point they said it was too late and to call when a PCN had arrived.They phoned them and explained they could no longer cancel the tickets and I would have to appeal to the company explaining what had happened, and come back to them if that failed.However  at this point there is an impasse.Should they appeal as the hospital have said, thus  naming themselves as the driver or use a template provided by this site that I have seen before that does not name the driver.Am I right in thinking regardless of the circumstance parking companies will reject initial appeals as par the course?Here is a picture of the PCN via link.https://ibb.co/zVdkzrS1Thanks.

I could show it again, but it is literally word for word, page  for page the exact same letter as the previous one  with the only difference one stating 19th December and the other 23rd December, both say within 30 days of this date.So even if I receive confirmation with the hospital I should still send that  template  written  as a reply to my OP correct?Thanks.

Quote from: b789 on 01 Jan, 2026 22:02Yes. Email is the preferred method of communication. It is instant and you have proof of sending and receipt. Uses no paper, only electrons.I will ask the hospital for Email confirmation on Monday then.If I get this do I still send the template letter above or leave it? I have on problem with following that protocol as it sounds very good I just dont want to do anything that appears t contradict the hospital squashing it anyway.Incidentally I have received the EXACT same letter again today for the exact same PCN except this is dated 4 days later. Any idea why that has happened? Its the same PCN not another.Thanks.

Quote from: b789 on 30 Dec, 2025 02:55"Spoke" to the hospital? A conversation is not worth the paper it isn't written on. Either get confirmation in writing that they are gong to get the PCN cancelled, otherwise carry on as advised.Is Email good enough? They said they would send me an Email confirming this.Thanks.

Quote from: b789 on 27 Dec, 2025 22:57It doesn’t, technically, change anything. The fact remains that a PoFA compliant NtK was never delivered to you, the Keeper, within the relevant period.Yes, it is your responsibility to keep your V5C up to date with a valid address for service. If any NIPs have been issued, that is a much more serious issue than a speculative invoice from an unregulated private parking firm.If it were to ever escalate to an actual hearing with a judge, it can be argued that ALL the provisions of PoFA have not been complied with and so there is no Keeper liability if the driver is not identified. The ONLY way the driver can be identified is if the Keeper does so. As there is absolutely no legal obligation to do so, there is then nothing they can do about it.In most of these cases, the operator will press on all the way to a county court claim but will withdraw late in the proceedings, especially if the defendant shows resistance and is getting good advice. They much prefer low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree who are easily intimidated into paying out of ignorance and fear.Once you have sent the advised response to the LoC, we will be able to see what they come back with and respond accordingly. CEL have just lost their in-house counsel and whilst he was never very good, barrister Wonga Wilson will not be missed by those of us who have to deal with the fallout of these bottom-dwelling people who fuel this unscrupulous industry.So, carry on as advised. You can very easily update the address on your V5C online in minutes, but won’t make any difference to thus case now.I  spoke to the hospital today and they said they would get the ticket quashed.However should I still send the letter as advised in the first reply? Or just leave it for  now?  Just wondering if they will get two conflicting replies if I still send it and the hospital contact them to  cancel it.Thanks.

Quote from: FuzzyDuck on 28 Dec, 2025 11:29You could check your driver record with the DVLA online and see if there are any endorsements added for the period the V5C documents were incorrect.Just did this check, it says  there are no  endorsements or suspensions. Although I assume that doesnt mean there couldnt be anything pending.Thanks.

Quote from: RichardW on 28 Dec, 2025 08:27V62: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/application-for-a-vehicle-registration-certificate~Thanks

Quote from: b789 on 27 Dec, 2025 22:57It doesn’t, technically, change anything. The fact remains that a PoFA compliant NtK was never delivered to you, the Keeper, within the relevant period.Yes, it is your responsibility to keep your V5C up to date with a valid address for service. If any NIPs have been issued, that is a much more serious issue than a speculative invoice from an unregulated private parking firm.If it were to ever escalate to an actual hearing with a judge, it can be argued that ALL the provisions of PoFA have not been complied with and so there is no Keeper liability if the driver is not identified. The ONLY way the driver can be identified is if the Keeper does so. As there is absolutely no legal obligation to do so, there is then nothing they can do about it.In most of these cases, the operator will press on all the way to a county court claim but will withdraw late in the proceedings, especially if the defendant shows resistance and is getting good advice. They much prefer low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree who are easily intimidated into paying out of ignorance and fear.Once you have sent the advised response to the LoC, we will be able to see what they come back with and respond accordingly. CEL have just lost their in-house counsel and whilst he was never very good, barrister Wonga Wilson will not be missed by those of us who have to deal with the fallout of these bottom-dwelling people who fuel this unscrupulous industry.So, carry on as advised. You can very easily update the address on your V5C online in minutes, but won’t make any difference to thus case now.Thanks. Dont I need the physical logbook though? I lost it years ago.Do youknow what form I need to fill ojut to get a new one I cant seem to find it easily.Thanks.

Quote from: Southpaw82 on 27 Dec, 2025 22:29You could unwind the conviction back to prosecution stage. Far too late to provide details. So you’d either plead guilty (and happily, they will often drop the s 172 if you plead guilty to the speeding) or defend the charges (difficult).So You would basically plead guilty to the offence  for example speeding and get 3 points and  a fine? But they would drop the failure to furnish?Or am I misunderstanding here.Thanks and excuse my ignorance on this, Im just trying to panic as little ass possible until I can get this log book change started Monday.Is it conceivable offences could go as far back as a year? Or is it likely some correspondence would have caught up by now? Otherwise surely people could be driving around when they should be banned?Thanks.

Quote from: Southpaw82 on 27 Dec, 2025 21:47QuoteIs this correct?For all practical purposes, yes. QuoteI thought I only had to update my drivers licence!Well, now you know.Thank you.So  just to be clear, and sorry if this is tedious because I  have since read this often happens and is a 'cliche  mistake'.If I have received any NIPS I  could unwind any prosecution providing I can show I genuinely didnt know, and trhen provide the details?I am purely concerned about NIPS because I would only have had to receive 2 that I hadnt answered and it would effectively be a totting up of 12 points!As I said I am not expecting any at all, I dont know of anything I have done, but its been  2 years so I cant say for sure.Again thanks for the help.

Quote from: Southpaw82 on 27 Dec, 2025 21:34QuoteAm I right in assuming if a civil case has found my new address within 3 weeks then a criminal one would  too, or sooner?No.So what happens in this situation? My mistake I know and I will update the logbook immediately. I thought I only had to update my drivers licence!I have been told on another legal forum the following.'The police are required to ask the Registered Keeper for the details of the driver.The Registered Keeper is required to keep the DVLA informed of their address (it is an offence to not do this, but I’ve never heard of anyone being prosecuted for it).I‘m not 100% sure of the process, but it is possible (but a huge PITA) to unwind any prosecution if you can show you genuinely didn’t know.I’d advise driving very carefully until you get it sorted - it will make life much easier.'Is this correct?Thanks.

Long story short. I have 2 vehicles. When I moved I  straight away changed my drivers licence but unfortunately wasnt aware that it was also as important to change the logbook registered address.I clearly wrongly assumed any NIP's would go to the address the DVLA  had on file for my drivers licence ( I now realise thats wrong because I may not have been the driver so it goes to the registered keeper ie  whats on the logbook). (I have been ill for 2  years so keeping track of everything has been difficult).Anyhow this has only come to my attention after receiving a  'letter before action' for a 3 month old private parking ticket I wasnt aware I had.I assume what has happened is they have been sending letters to my old address asked another company to trace me and eventually found my  new address.That is a civil matter and one thing, what I am now concerned about is what happens if I had received any NIP's in that time.I am not expecting anything but of course nothing is impossible and I wouldn't have known.Missing a course is one thing, I obviously dont want to be done for not giving details.Am I right in assuming if a civil case has found my new address within 3 weeks then a criminal one would  too, or sooner?Hold my hands up I didnt realise it was as important as changing my licence- I  thought they tracked my details from that.I will do it asap, but in the meantime do I need to worry?My other vehicle was bought after the move and previously I had a leased car so any correspondence went to them.Thanks.