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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Croydon 53J - Green Lane and Kensington Ave - entering a pedestrian zone
« on: June 29, 2025, 09:27:03 pm »Quotefollowing sat navWe do see this rather too often, I'm afraid. Satnavs are never up-to-date, and London councils keep putting in these restrictions. It can be rather difficult determining if the signage is adequate. Councils have a duty under Regulation 18 of The Local Authorities’ Traffic Orders (Procedure) (England and Wales) Regulations 1996, to erect 'adequate' signage giving notice of the restrictions imposed by a traffic order.
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1996/2489/contents
So, here is the advance sign for the restriction: -
https://maps.app.goo.gl/zweaiCyeSJgNXqBr8
and here are the restriction signs themselves: -
https://maps.app.goo.gl/49DFwCDFVC3BEXZv9
However the sign on the RH side is directly opposite the traffic island so unlikely come to the driver's attention, especially if the advance sign was missed. What the driver sees when actually turning is this: -
https://maps.app.goo.gl/Pnasw9iATVBc8YWT6
So it is quite clear to me that the signage is not adequate, but you have to convince an adjudicator, as the council will never give way. The video doesn't show the main road traffic at all, really, being mounted well into Kensington Avenue with a very limited view.It does show a but
Yes absolutely! I get it now. The sign on the left where the church is can be easily obscured by parked vehicles. You also caught the two signs and the driver perspective which is also what I described. What would I say in an appeal and how likely is it to succeed if the council say no by default? I just want to be sure I represent what was honestly a situation that better signage and not turning when a bus was literally going past would’ve likely solved...