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I believe it's possible to change to in person. We strongly recommend it as there have been numerous examples of adjudicators not fully appreciating intended nuances of appeal points when faced with something in writing - which would have been easily corrected in a dialogue.

In response to my request for personal hearing, it has now been rescheduled to take place via MS Teams on 17 November 2026.

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I believe it's possible to change to in person. We strongly recommend it as there have been numerous examples of adjudicators not fully appreciating intended nuances of appeal points when faced with something in writing - which would have been easily corrected in a dialogue.

Great, I have requested a personal hearing (preferably via video link, possible).

Further updates will be posted here, when available.

Regardless of the case outcome, thanks again to the forum members for their help, particularly MrChips.

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The letter has been updated as per your suggestion and an appeal has been lodged online. They have confirmed the case reference number: 2260300513

The confirmation email states that they will consider the appeal and confirm within 7 days if it is accepted.

It is not clear from your post if you have chosen a personal (=video/telephone) hearing or a decision on papers. (N.B. we always recommend a personal hearing, never a decision on papers. ) Please confirm. Also let us know the date of the hearing, and please copy and paste here the e-mail from LT (redact yr name and e-mail address).

Hi John

The hearing date is Monday 8 June.

I was not aware that there it is strongly encouraged to choose personal hearing instead of postal. As such, at the time I made the application, I had selected postal decision. If you'd like (and London Tribunals permit) I am happy to change it to a personal hearing.

Hearing details per online London Tribunals portal>
Appeal key details
Your case reference 2260300513
Status: Your appeal has been listed for hearing
Hearing details
Hearing date: Monday 08th Jun 2026
Hearing type: Postal


Confirmation Email dated Friday 8 May 2026>
The tribunal will consider your appeal and let you know if it is accepted within 7 days

You can still Return to my appeal

To return to your appeal you need:

Case reference from this email
Verification code from the notice of rejection letter
Vehicle registration number
When you return to your appeal you can:

Upload more evidence
Tell the tribunal about any changes to your appeal
Ask the tribunal any questions that you have
If your appeal is accepted, check the appeal hearing details
Withdraw your appeal
All evidence must be uploaded at least 7 days before your hearing date.

Posted evidence must be sent at least 14 days before the hearing date. Send it to London Tribunals, PO Box 460, Hartlepool, TS24 4JE and remember to include your appeal reference number and your name.

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Suggested update to paragraph 3. Otherwise, happy for you to release.

3. Secondary ground: contravention did not occur
Notwithstanding my primary ground of appeal, I believe that the alleged contravention did not occur.

A box junction offence requires both a stop within a box junction and for this stop to be necessitated by stationary vehicles. Having viewed the footage supplied by the Authority, I can see that as my vehicle approached the box junction, traffic was flowing freely and there was a reasonable expectation of space beyond the far end of this very long box junction. Due to a change in the traffic lights ahead, this situation changed after I was already committed to entering the box junction.  However, throughout the period of my vehicle being stopped, there remained a vacant exit in the adjacent lane which I could and would have taken in order to fully clear the box junction but for moving (i.e. non-stationary) vehicles continuing to flow through the box and pass me in that lane.  This continued for the brief period of stopping (around 6 seconds which may also be considered de minimis) until the traffic directly in front of me started to move off. As such, on the basis that I had the option to fully exit the box junction and was only prevented from doing so by moving vehicles I believe this does not constitute a box junction offence as defined.

Thanks MrChips, appreciate you taking the time and providing guidance.

The letter has been updated as per your suggestion and an appeal has been lodged online. They have confirmed the case reference number: 2260300513

The confirmation email states that they will consider the appeal and confirm within 7 days if it is accepted.

I will post further updates here in due course.

Thanks again, appreciated :)

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Thanks MrChips.

The updated letter is set out below - provisionally secondary ground is included but happy to remove it if you consider it would make the appeal stronger.

DRAFT

5 May 2026
London Tribunals
(Traffic Enforcement Centre / ETA)

Re: Notice of Appeal — Penalty Charge Notice HZ96242257

1. Introduction
I wish to appeal against the Notice of Rejection issued by the London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham (“the Authority”) in respect of Penalty Charge Notice HZ96242257 (entering and stopping in a box junction when prohibited). Key dates are as follows:
•   Date of alleged contravention: 27 December 2025
•   Date of PCN: 9 January 2026
•   Date representations submitted: 11 January 2026
•   Date of Notice of Rejection: 27 April 2026

My appeal is brought on two grounds:

(a)   Primary ground: The Authority acted with inordinate delay in responding to my representations, which it has failed to justify, in breach of the guideline of 3 months established by this Tribunal for moving traffic offences. This constitutes a collateral challenge and the PCN should be cancelled, consistent with previous decisions (three such examples included in the Appendix).

(b)   Secondary ground: The alleged contravention did not occur, or in the alternative amounted to a de minimis offence.

2. Primary Ground: Inordinate Delay in Issuing the Notice of Rejection
I acknowledge that the London Local Authorities and Transport for London Act 2003 does not prescribe a statutory time limit within which an enforcement authority must serve a notice of rejection in moving traffic cases (unlike parking cases, where a 56-day limit applies). However, this Tribunal has consistently and repeatedly held that an enforcement authority is nonetheless required to act with due diligence and in a timely manner. To this effect, the Tribunal has published on its website a statement that “The adjudicators have decided that an Enforcement Authority should normally respond to representations within 3 months.”

In this case, it took the Authority approximately 3 months and 16 days to respond to my representations. The Notice of Rejection included no acknowledgement, explanation or justification whatsoever for this delay.

From reviewing recent Tribunal decisions involving this Authority, I can see that earlier in the same month my representations were rejected, at least two appeals were decided against it on precisely the same grounds (cases 2250654961 and 2250663918, both decided in April 2026 — full details in the Appendix). I am also aware of a further case from 2024 where a delay in excess of 3 months was found by the Tribunal on review to be sufficient grounds for overturning a refused appeal (case 2240112496, also in the Appendix).
On that basis, the Authority was or should have been fully aware of the Tribunal’s expectations and the consequences of non-compliance, yet nonetheless issued its Notice of Rejection without any explanation for the delay. I respectfully submit that this ground alone is sufficient to allow this appeal and direct that PCN HZ96242257 be cancelled.

3. Secondary Ground: De Minimis / Contravention Did Not Occur
Without prejudice to my primary ground, I maintain that the alleged contravention did not occur, or in the alternative should be treated as de minimis.
The video evidence shows that at the moment my vehicle entered the yellow box junction, the exit lane ahead was vacant — there were no stationary vehicles preventing my passage through the box. The reason I was unable to immediately take that clear exit was that vehicles to my right, which were themselves moving (i.e. non-stationary), were crossing my path and preventing me from completing my exit. I stopped within the box for no more than approximately 6 seconds before clearing it.

The prohibition under Schedule 9, Part 7, paragraph 11(1) of the Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2016 is triggered by the presence of “stationary vehicles” preventing exit. On the facts, the impediment to my exit at the moment of entry comprised moving vehicles, not stationary ones. The very brief duration of the stop — approximately 6 seconds — and the fact that the exit lane itself was clear throughout further support the conclusion that no substantive contravention of the kind the prohibition is designed to prevent took place.
I preserve this ground for the Tribunal’s consideration in the event that the primary ground is not upheld.

4. Relief Sought
I respectfully request that this Tribunal:
1.   Allow my appeal on the primary ground and direct that PCN HZ96242257 be cancelled; or
2.   In the alternative, allow my appeal on the secondary ground on the basis that the contravention did not occur or amounted to a de minimis offence.

Yours faithfully,

Appellant
5 May 2026

APPENDIX: Copies of Relevant Decided Cases

Case 1: Case Reference 2250654961 — Lloyd Jantuah v London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham
PCN: HZ93508551 | Contravention: Performing a prohibited turn
Location: Hammersmith Road j/w Shortlands
Representations received: 26 July 2025 | NOR issued: 12 November 2025 (over 3 months later)
Decision date: 8 April 2026 | Adjudicator: Mackenzie Robinson | → Appeal allowed — PCN cancelled
Reasons: Mr Jantuah appeals on the basis that the enforcement authority breached the guidance issued by decisions of adjudicators of this tribunal, that in moving traffic cases, authorities should issue notices of rejection within three months. The Enforcement Authority acknowledges that Mr Jantuah made his formal representations on 26 July, and the notice of rejection was not sent until 12 November. I therefore find that the authority did take over three months to send the notice. It is true that the relevant Act lays down no actual time limit for service of a notice of rejection in moving traffic cases. However this tribunal has consistently decided that it is reasonable to expect an authority to do so within three months, and to take longer than that is unacceptable, and will be regarded as a successful collateral challenge, unless an adjudicator decides otherwise on the individual facts of the case. I can see no good reason on the evidence before me why the authority could not comply with the three month guidance. It is for the benefit of everyone, including the enforcement authority, to have a clear time limit in mind, because this will ensure that cases are dealt with in a reasonably timely manner, whereas an expectation that an authority will do something within an undefined ‘reasonable time’ will have the opposite effect. I therefore allow this appeal on the basis that the authority has failed to issue the notice of rejection within the clearly indicated three month guideline. The appeal is allowed on the basis of that successful collateral challenge.

Case 2: Case Reference 2250663918 — Shanye Hazel-Marriott v London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham
PCN: HZ93906157 | Contravention: Fail to comply with prohibition on certain types of vehicle
Location: Imperial Road NWbnd — NW of Fulmead Street
Representations received: 9 August 2025 | NOR issued: 11 December 2025 (over 4 months later)
Decision date: 10 April 2026 | Adjudicator: Andrew Harman | → Appeal allowed — PCN cancelled
Reasons: Upon the appellant complaining about the delay that occurred in her receiving a response from the council to her representations. The 56 day time frame in which the council is required to serve a notice of acceptance or rejection only applies to parking penalty charges. It does not apply to moving traffic penalty charges such as this. Whilst, however, there is no requirement that the council respond to representations made on a moving traffic PCN within any set time period, it is on the decided cases required to act with due diligence and in a timely manner. Representations were received by the council in this case on 09/08/25, it issuing a rejection notice letter on 11/12/25, over four months later. I am satisfied given that delay that the criteria set out above were not met, and find that enforcement may not therefore be pursued. The appeal must accordingly be allowed without consideration of any of the other issues raised by either party to the proceedings.

Case 3: Case Reference 2240112496 — Jain and Jain Ltd v Transport for London (PCN GX0883096A)
PCN: GX0883096A | Contravention: Entering and stopping in a box junction
Location: Hanger Lane / Ealing Village W5
Representations received: 29 August 2023 | NOR issued: 8 February 2024 (approximately 5.5 months later)
First decision: 21 May 2024 (appeal refused) | Review decision: 7 August 2024 | Adjudicator (review): Andrew Harman | → Appeal allowed on review — PCN cancelled
Reasons (review decision, 7 August 2024): The adjudicator correctly stated that there is no statutory time limit within which the authority must serve its notice of rejection. The 56 day time frame in which it is required to do so only applies to parking penalty charges. It does not apply to box junction penalty charges such as this. Whilst however there is no requirement that an authority respond to representations made on a box junction PCN within any set time limit it is on the decided cases required to act with due diligence and in a timely manner. Representations were received by the authority in this case on 29/08/23 it issuing a rejection notice letter on 08/02/24 well over five months later. That to my mind amounts to an inordinate delay and in the absence of any explanation being provided by the authority for it, and in the context of the guidance given on the tribunal’s website, I am satisfied that the criteria set out above were not met and find that enforcement may not therefore be pursued. I allow the appeal.

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Happy to amend/update for any suggestions the forum members may consider relevant


DRAFT

1. Introduction
I write to appeal against the Notice of Rejection of Representation issued by the London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham (“the Authority”) dated 27 April 2026 in respect of Penalty Charge Notice HZ96242257 (“the PCN”). The PCN was issued on 9 January 2026 in respect of an alleged contravention on 27 December 2025 at Box Junction, Uxbridge Road, approximately 25 yards west of Holland Park Roundabout, at 17:36.

My appeal is brought on two grounds:
(a) Primary ground: The Authority acted with inordinate and unjustified delay in responding to my representations, in breach of the guidance established by decisions of this Tribunal. This constitutes a successful collateral challenge and the PCN should be cancelled.
(b) Secondary ground: The alleged contravention did not occur within the meaning of the relevant legislation.

2. Relevant Chronology
The key dates are as follows:
• 27 December 2025: Alleged contravention.
• 9 January 2026: PCN issued by the Authority.
• 11 January 2026: I submitted my formal representations to the Authority online, within the required time limit.
• 27 April 2026: The Authority issued its Notice of Rejection of Representation — a period of approximately 3 months and 16 days after receiving my representations.

3. Primary Ground: Inordinate Delay in Issuing the Notice of Rejection

3.1 The Legal Framework
I acknowledge that the London Local Authorities and Transport for London Act 2003 does not prescribe a statutory time limit within which an enforcement authority must serve a notice of rejection in moving traffic cases (unlike parking cases, where a 56-day limit applies). However, this Tribunal has consistently and repeatedly held that an enforcement authority is nonetheless required to act with due diligence and in a timely manner. The Tribunal has established, through a series of decided cases, that the guideline period for responding to representations in moving traffic cases is three months. Exceeding that period, without justification, amounts to a successful collateral challenge and ordinarily requires the PCN to be cancelled.
This principle is reflected in the guidance published on the London Tribunals website relating to the moving traffic PCN enforcement process.

3.2 The Delay in This Case
My representations were submitted on 11 January 2026. The Authority did not issue its Notice of Rejection until 27 April 2026. This is a delay of approximately 3 months and 16 days — materially in excess of the three-month guideline established by this Tribunal.
The Notice of Rejection itself contains no explanation whatsoever for this delay. The Authority has offered no justification, no reference to exceptional circumstances, and no acknowledgment of the lateness of its response. In the absence of any such explanation, I submit that the delay was inordinate and that enforcement should not be permitted to proceed.
I further note that the Authority issued its Notice of Rejection on 27 April 2026 — by which date the Authority had already had two of its own cases decided against it by this Tribunal on the very same inordinate delay ground (see cases 2250654961 and 2250663918, both decided in April 2026, detailed below). On that basis, the Authority was or should have been fully aware of the Tribunal's guidance and the consequences of non-compliance. It nonetheless rejected my representations without any justification for the delay and without explanation.

3.3 Relevant Decided Cases
I respectfully draw the Tribunal's attention to the following decided cases, each of which supports my primary ground of appeal:

Case 1: PCN GX0883096A — Jain and Jain Ltd v Transport for London
Contravention: Entering and stopping in a box junction | Location: Hanger Lane / Ealing Village W5
Representations received: 29 August 2023 | NOR issued: 8 February 2024 (approximately 5.5 months later)
Review decision: 7 August 2024 | Adjudicator: Andrew Harman | Appeal allowed — PCN cancelled
On review, Adjudicator Harman found that the authority had received representations on 29 August 2023 but did not issue a rejection notice until 8 February 2024 — well over five months later. He held that this amounted to an inordinate delay and that, in the absence of any explanation from the authority, enforcement could not be pursued. The appeal was allowed.
This case is directly on point: it involves the same category of contravention (box junction), the same legal framework, and the same principle — that an unexplained delay exceeding three months in issuing a notice of rejection amounts to a collateral challenge sufficient to cancel the PCN.

Case 2: Case Reference 2250654961 — Lloyd Jantuah v London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham
PCN: HZ93508551 | Contravention: Performing a prohibited turn | Location: Hammersmith Road j/w Shortlands
Representations received: 26 July 2025 | NOR issued: 12 November 2025 (over 3 months later)
Decision date: 8 April 2026 | Adjudicator: Mackenzie Robinson | Appeal allowed — PCN cancelled
Adjudicator Robinson expressly held that, whilst the relevant Act lays down no actual time limit for service of a notice of rejection in moving traffic cases, the Tribunal has consistently decided that it is reasonable to expect an authority to respond within three months, and that to take longer is unacceptable and will be regarded as a successful collateral challenge. He further noted that a clear time limit benefits everyone, including the enforcement authority, as it ensures cases are dealt with in a reasonably timely manner. The appeal was allowed on that basis alone.
Critically, this case involves the same issuing authority as in my case — the London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham — and was decided on 8 April 2026, just weeks before the Authority issued its Notice of Rejection in my case on 27 April 2026.

Case 3: Case Reference 2250663918 — Shanye Hazel-Marriott v London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham
PCN: HZ93906157 | Contravention: Fail to comply with prohibition on certain types of vehicle | Location: Imperial Road NWbnd — NW of Fulmead Street
Representations received: 9 August 2025 | NOR issued: 11 December 2025 (over 4 months later)
Decision date: 10 April 2026 | Adjudicator: Andrew Harman | Appeal allowed — PCN cancelled
Adjudicator Harman again allowed the appeal on grounds of inordinate delay, finding that representations received on 9 August 2025 with a rejection notice not issued until 11 December 2025 — over four months later — meant that the required criteria of due diligence and timely action had not been met. Enforcement was accordingly not permitted to proceed.
This is a second case against the same authority — the London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham — also decided in April 2026, just days before the Authority issued its Notice of Rejection in my case. The Authority was, or ought to have been, fully aware of both decisions at the time it rejected my representations.

3.4 Summary on Primary Ground
In summary, on the primary ground:
• My representations were submitted on 11 January 2026.
• The Notice of Rejection was not issued until 27 April 2026 — approximately 3 months and 16 days later.
• This exceeds the three-month guideline established by this Tribunal.
• The Authority has provided no justification for the delay.
• Two recent decisions against the same Authority (cases 2250654961 and 2250663918, both decided in April 2026) had already confirmed the applicable principle before the NOR in my case was issued.
I respectfully submit that the primary ground alone is sufficient to allow this appeal and cancel the PCN.

4. Secondary Ground: The Contravention Did Not Occur
Without prejudice to my primary ground, and for completeness, I maintain that the alleged contravention did not occur as a matter of law.
The prohibition is set out in Schedule 9, Part 7, paragraph 11(1) of the Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2016, which provides that a person must not cause a vehicle to enter a box junction so that the vehicle has to stop within the box junction due to the presence of stationary vehicles.
At the time my vehicle entered the yellow box junction, the video recording shows that there were no stationary vehicles in front of me. The traffic ahead was flowing and I had a reasonable expectation of being able to exit the box junction at the time of entry. The vehicles ahead of me subsequently came to a halt due to a red traffic light — a circumstance which I could not have foreseen or anticipated at the moment of entry, particularly given the short distance between the traffic light and the box junction and the fact that I was the fourth vehicle in the queue.

I acknowledge that the Authority's rejection letter takes the view that the driver's intention is not relevant and that the contravention occurs as soon as a vehicle stops on the box junction when the exit lane is not clear. However, I respectfully maintain that the question of whether stationary vehicles were present at the moment of entry — as required by the statute — is a matter of fact which the video evidence should be examined to determine. I preserve this ground for the Tribunal's consideration.

5. Conclusion and Relief Sought
For the reasons set out above, I respectfully request that this Tribunal:
1. Allow my appeal on the primary ground that the Authority acted with inordinate and unjustified delay in issuing its Notice of Rejection, in breach of the guidance established by this Tribunal; and
2. Direct that Penalty Charge Notice HZ96242257 be cancelled.
In the alternative, should the Tribunal not allow the appeal on the primary ground, I request that my secondary ground be considered on its merits on the basis that the contravention did not occur within the meaning of the applicable legislation.


Yours faithfully,

Appellant
4 May 2026

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I figured H&F might be serial offenders wrt the 3 month limit so looked at recent decisions involving that authority.  Pretty quickly found the two below - you can add them to your arsenal...


Case Details
Case reference 2250654961
Appellant Lloyd Jantuah
Authority London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham
VRM YN67SZL
PCN Details
PCN HZ93508551
Contravention date 04 Jul 2025
Contravention time 11:46:00
Contravention location Hammersmith Rd j/w Shortlands
Penalty amount GBP 160.00
Contravention Performing a prohibited turn
Referral date -
Decision Date 08 Apr 2026
Adjudicator Mackenzie Robinson
Appeal decision Appeal allowed
Direction
cancel the Penalty Charge Notice.

Reasons
Mr Jantuah appeals on the basis that the enforcement authority breached the guidance issued by decisions of adjudicators of this tribunal, that in moving traffic cases, authorities should issue notices rejection within three months.
The Enforcement Authority acknowledges that Mr Jantuah made his formal representations on 26 July, and the notice of rejection was not sent until 12 November. I therefore find that the authority did take over three months to send the notice.
It is true that the relevant Act lays down no actual time limit for service of a notice of rejection in moving traffic cases. However this tribunal has consistently decided that it is reasonable to expect an authority to do so within three months, and to take longer than that is unacceptable, and will be regarded as a successful collateral challenge, unless an adjudicator decides otherwise on the individual facts of the case.
I can see no good reason on the evidence before me why the authority could not comply with the three month guidance. It is for the benefit of everyone, including the enforcement authority, to have a clear time limit in mind, because this will ensure that cases are dealt with in a reasonably timely manner, whereas an expectation that an authority will do something within an undefined 'reasonable time' will have the opposite effect.
I therefore allow this appeal on the basis that the authority has failed to issue the notice of rejection within the clearly indicated three month guideline. The appeal is allowed on the basis of that successful collateral challenge.

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Case Details
Case reference 2250663918
Appellant Shanye Hazel-Marriott
Authority London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham
VRM LY74HNB
PCN Details
PCN HZ93906157
Contravention date 27 Jul 2025
Contravention time 14:19:00
Contravention location Imperial Rd NWbnd - NW of Fulmead St
Penalty amount GBP 160.00
Contravention Fail comply prohibition on certain types vehicle
Referral date -
Decision Date 10 Apr 2026
Adjudicator Andrew Harman
Appeal decision Appeal allowed
Direction
cancel the Penalty Charge Notice.

Reasons
Upon the appellant complaining about the delay that occurred in her receiving a response from the council to her representations.

The 56 day time frame in which the council is required to serve a notice of acceptance or rejection only applies to parking penalty charges. It does not apply to moving traffic penalty charges such as this. Whilst, however, there is no requirement that the council respond to representations made on a moving traffic PCN within any set time period, it is on the decided cases required to act with due diligence and in a timely manner. Representations were received by the council in this case on 09/08/25, it issuing a rejection notice letter on 11/12/25, over four months later. I am satisfied given that delay that the criteria set out above were not met, and find that enforcement may not therefore be pursued. The appeal must accordingly be allowed without consideration of any of the other issues raised by either party to the proceedings.

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Bro this is gold - Claude is over hyped. The real MVP is MrChips!

I'll send an appeal to the tribunals and post an update here once I receive it.

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Thanks MrChips.

I unleased Claude on the Tribunal website but even it struggled to find relevant cases, given the limitations on search functionality in the database. I fed it the case referenced in your message but it was taking too long to analyse for similar cases, since each case has to be reviewed one at a time.

I think on balance, it is likely worth going to the tribunal on the grounds of inordinate delay, especially as LBHF has not provided any justification for the delay in issuing the NoR.

For completeness, I set out below the session summary with Claude.

Session Summary & Conclusion
What We Were Doing
You asked me to search the London Tribunals ETA statutory register for decided cases where:

The contravention was a moving traffic offence (e.g., stopping in a box junction)
The appellant made representations that were rejected by the issuing authority via a Notice of Rejection (NOR)
The NOR was issued more than 3 months after the representations
The tribunal allowed the appeal on grounds of inordinate delay

A forum respondent then shared a sample case (PCN GX0883096A) which helped significantly narrow the search strategy.

Key Finding
Only one confirmed case meeting all four criteria was found:

Case 2240112496 — Jain and Jain Ltd v Transport for London
PCN: GX0883096A | Contravention: Entering and stopping in a box junction | Location: HANGER LANE / EALING VILLAGE W5
Representations: 29/08/2023 | NOR issued: 08/02/2024 (~5.5 months later)
First decision: 21 May 2024 – Appeal refused | Review decision: 07 Aug 2024 – Appeal allowed
Adjudicator (review): Andrew Harman
(This is the sample case shared by the forum respondent — it is real and confirmed in the register)

The direct link to this case is session-dependent (the APEX system generates time-limited URLs), but it can be reliably found by:

Going to londontribunals.gov.uk/about/registers-appeals
Clicking "Access the statutory registers" → Search under ETA
Searching by PCN reference: GX0883096A


What Was Searched
MonthCases FoundStatusAugust 2024185 cases✅ Fully searched — all long-gap candidates checkedSeptember 2024158 cases⚠️ Only page 1 reviewed — incompleteOctober 2024Not searched❌November 2024Not searched❌December 2024Not searched❌Jan–Jul 2024Not searched❌2023Not searched❌
5 candidates were investigated and eliminated (red route cases, HGV permit zones, medical evidence cases, costs applications — none were inordinate delay cases).

Conclusions & Recommendations
1. These cases appear to be rare. Even with a targeted search, only one confirmed case was found despite reviewing all 185 August 2024 decisions. The London Tribunals register does not allow full-text search of decision reasons, which makes finding these cases very labour-intensive — you can only infer likely candidates from date-gap proxies.
2. The search is incomplete. There are still many months to search (September 2024 onwards, and all earlier 2024 and 2023 decisions). If you want to continue, the most efficient approach is to use the date-gap proxy method: search each month for TfL + Appeal allowed, then extract cases with a registration-to-outcome gap of >90 days, and check only those.
3. The sample case is a strong precedent. Even if it turns out to be the only such case in the register, the Andrew Harman review decision in GX0883096A provides excellent and clearly reasoned precedent — it directly cites the tribunal's own guidance, notes the absence of any explanation from TfL, and allows the appeal unequivocally.
4. The Paul McKenna v TfL key case (already on the tribunal's website as a key case) provides the foundational principle, and the GX0883096A review decision applies it to a box junction contravention specifically — which is exactly what you need.
5. If you want to resume the search, I can continue with September 2024 through to 2023. The process is slow due to the APEX session management limitations, but it is feasible. Just say the word and I'll pick up from September 2024 page 2.

Practical Takeaway for You
If you or someone you know has received a box junction PCN from TfL, made representations, and then received a NOR more than ~3 months later, the GX0883096A decision strongly supports an appeal to the tribunal on inordinate delay grounds — especially if TfL has offered no explanation for the delay.

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The online rep was made on 11 January, so the NOR was definitely issued more than 3 months

The link you have shared is very helpful, thanks. It clearly states that "The adjudicators have decided that a Enforcement Authority should normally respond to representations within 3 months."

However, it also states that grounds for appeal remain unchanged, namely:

The grounds of appeal are the same as for making representations:

You were not the owner of the vehicle at the material time;
The alleged contravention did not occur;
The person in control of the vehicle at the material time was in control of it without the consent of the owner;
The recipient is a vehicle hire firm and the vehicle in question was, at the material time, hired under a qualifying hire agreement and the person hiring it had signed a statement of liability for any Penalty Charge Notice issued in respect of the vehicle during the term of the hire agreement;
The penalty charge exceeded the amount applicable in the circumstances of the case.

As such, it is not clear what weight does late response by LBHF holds to contest this PCN.

If the outcome remains 50/50 the expected mathematical value of making the appeal remains equal to paying the discounted charge of £80.
Win = pay £0
Loss = pay £160
Expected value = (0 + 160) x 50% = £80

Unless you consider that win is likely above 50%, I am just better off paying the discounted fee.

What do you think?

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From the outset, I am happy to pay the charge if my argument is flimsy and the contravention (as set out in the legislation) really did occur.

Background
Date of alleged contravention: 27.12.2025
Appealed within the allotted time
Rejection letter received dated 27.04.2026

I now have until 11.05.2026 to pay the reduced charge of £80. I would like to understand whether based on the facts, there is any merit to escalate to the tribunal stage?

From the driver's perspective, the traffic was flowing (ie not crawling) at the time I entered the yellow box junction. I reasonably expected to exit the box at the time of entry. However, there is a traffic light just in front of the box and the space between them can only accommodate three vehicles. I was the fourth vehicle so had to stop in the yellow box unexpectedly.

I had appealed that alleged contravention did not occur (the exact argument is set out in the notice of Rejection - see para 'Your challenge')

I attach the following with this message:
1. Original PCN dated 09.01.2026
2. Rejection letter dated 27.04.2026

I had made the representations online, and my argument is set out in the Rejection letter under the heading 'Your challenge'

3. Image from the video still showing the moment my vehicle entered the box junction
4. Video of alleged contravention


I should be grateful for any guidance, whether there is merit in the argument or if there is another reason that would justify escalating the matter to the next stage.

Many thanks.

Moment of box entry


Original PCN


Rejection letter




Video
Video

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There is an update. H&F Council have finally responded by email, attaching a PDF letter dated 24.09.2025. It states the following:

"London Local Authorities and Transport for London Act 2003
Notice of Acceptance of Representation
 
Thank you for writing to us about the above Penalty Charge Notice (PCN).
 
After carefully considering your case, and without prejudice to our position, I have decided
to use our discretion to cancel this PCN.
 
This PCN was issued because the vehicle was observed and recorded by an unattended
camera,  ignoring  a  ‘No  Motor  Vehicle’  except  buses,  taxis,  and  permit  holders’  sign.
Private hire vehicles are not automatically exempt. The exemption applies only to Hackney
Carriages.
 
The restrictions are clearly signposted and are placed at different points prior to entering
and within the restricted area.
 
Drivers have a responsibility to comply with all signs and markings relating to road traffic
restrictions and directions. "

The letter goes on to reiterate the prohibition and includes photos of some signage around the area.

This is a fantastic result and I am thankful for this forum and all the helpful people here. Keep up the good work!

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@TaaSeenMeem

Any update on this?

Nope, not heard back yet. Only correspondence has been an automated email dated 01.07.25 (reproduced below)

Thank you for your submission.  Your case will be placed on hold until we respond to you, UNLESS the case has been passed to the enforcement agents for collection.

If you have challenged within the initial 14-day discount period (following the issue of the PCN), and if we do not agree to cancel, we will allow 14 days (from the date of our reply) for payment to be made at the discounted rate.

All cases are dealt with in chronological order. Therefore, unless you are supplying further information or evidence, please do not write to us again as this may delay our response to you.

If you have any further information/comments to make regarding this PCN, please email them to us at enquiries@lbhfparking.com , making sure that you quote both your PCN number(s) and vehicle registration number.

Please note the information in this email may contain confidential/sensitive information and is intended for the named recipient(s) only.  Please ensure you keep this information confidential and think carefully before forwarding on to other parties, printing or making any copies.
 
If you are not the intended recipient please notify us immediately and delete this email from your system.



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Ah I see, so you're fighting for the little man. That's very noble indeed.

I hope you do realise the amount of confidence somebody like you give to the rest of us as we are not acquainted with the finer details of how all of this works. If we don't have people like you around us, we'd feel helpless - and that is a terrible feeling.

For now, I look forward to what H&F might come back with (likely a rejection of the representations) but it would be interesting to see if they provide any further details to actually address the points made in the representations.


Sorry if my post wasn't clear. I was commenting on this continuing saga. My correspondence with H&F over Rivercourt Road is not about a specific PCN: I have been putting FoI requests to them to elucidate just what the TMO is and whether they have been complying with the law.

One feature of TMOs is that, 6 weeks after they have been made, the law deems them valid unless they have been challenged in the High Court before that (which only other local authorities would do). While their validity cannot be challenged, their enforceability can be. In this case I smelled a very dead rat: the presence of new road markings on what had been the exit slip road from Great West Road. As it crosses the verge and footway of Great West Road, this slip road forms part of TfL's highway and is controlled by TfL. That prompted a series of questions to H&F and TfL which are still playing out.

I surmise that when H&F wrote the TMO, they thought that the exit slip road was theirs, hence their painting their own road markings on it (and erasing TfL's edge-of-carriageway road marking). The signage plan in my previous post shows that in December they recognised that the exit slip road is part of TfL's highway and they have stated this in answer to my questions.

Unfortunately for H&F, their TMO was signed in  September and defines the one-way south-to-north restriction as running from the junction between Great West  Road and H&F's Rivercourt Road to "a point 8.30 meters south of the southern building wall of No. 17 Rivercourt Road". This would have made sense if the junction between Great West  Road and H&F's Rivercourt Road had lain at the edge-of-carriageway markings. Then the end of the south-to-north restriction would have lain to the north of its start.

Perhaps there wasn't a smash in late November to force a rethink and what actually happened was that someone at H&F realised where the boundary lay between TfL's land and H&F's. That means that,  by my reckoning, the end of the south-to-north restriction  actually lies south of its start. That would make at least this part of the TMO unenforceable. I rather think that the rest of it is also unenforceable, but for different reasons.

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I sent the representations last night. It seems you're slightly ahead in the process and already received a response from H&F. What is your next step?

I gather that H&F will initially reject the representations, fix a date for tribunal hearing and then a few days before the hearing they'd concede on no prejudice basis. At least this is the picture that has been painted by other posts elsewhere on this forum.


There's some monkey business with the plans for the scheme. H&F have now disgorged plans showing the road markings but these are dated December 2024 and approved January 2025.
(Attachment Link)

They have also sent me this as the Advance Signage, which manifestly isn't there yet
(Attachment Link)

The scheme was implemented at the end of November 2024, so clearly these plans weren't used. The December/January plans show the Give Way road markings about 1 meter further north than they were originally, as shown in the images in the Hammersmith Society's article.

Despite this, H&F are claiming that they moved the Give Way markings because the contractor didn't put them in the correct place. Apparently the contractor wasn't much good in November at predicting what the plans would look like in January.

One possible explanation is that TfL found out about the scheme and demanded that the Give Way signs be moved further north. If they'd thought about it and really were concerned for cyclists, they would have realised that the road markings at the edges of the exit from the carriageway of Great West Road (marked as being diagram 1040.4 but actually drawn and implemented as diagram 1040.3) prohibit all vehicles from crossing the solid white lines at their edges. When I say "all" I mean all: that restriction applies just as much to bicycles as it does to motor vehicles. So cyclists on the combined cycleway/footway must dismount and carry their bicycles over the hatched areas (sorry, wheeling doesn't cut it; only carrying will do) before continuing on the other side.

TfL might also have considered the implications of making Rivercourt Road two-way. While drivers exiting Great West Road northbound get a PCN, those existing southbound do not. They can only be prosecuted and get points on their licence. This isn't just theory: take a look at this PCN video.

It's also possible that TfL didn't find out about the scheme until much later and that H&F realised the danger - perhaps there was a smash in the first few days - and redrew the plans to reduce the risks. If so, they don't seem to have stopped the smashes, see this recent Hammersmith Society article. I hope H&F residents realise they're on the line when a victim sues the Council for causing crashes by creating a grossly unsafe road scheme.

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Given the amount of similar threads (and for the same council and contravention!), I am inclined to keep it brief. I have an idea what I should do next. The purpose of this thread is twofold - a) to seek an independent opinion if I should do anything differently (see below) and b) to contribute to the forum on what I learn from my imminent dealings with H&F council.

Here is what happened:
Like many others, got caught off-guard by new restriction on turning left from A4 onto Rivercourt Road in Hammersmith.


PCN image
https://imgur.com/a/71xaLvt


Location
https://maps.app.goo.gl/sjESeuxt5dVYPFk98

Here is my plan (with thanks to various contributors on other similar threads):
Appeal the PCN online - Grounds: Contravention did not occur
Letter to send to H&F as below:

I must respond by 3 July so will linger around this thread until 2 July and then send the below to H&F Council. Any suggestions, tips and/or guidance in the interim is thankfully received.

1. Inadequate and Confusing Signage (Regulatory Breach)
The absence of proper advance warning signs on the A4 before the Rivercourt Road junction means that adequate information about the restriction was not made available to road users. This is a fundamental legal requirement, and without it, no contravention can be established. H&F have also failed in their duty under LATOR (Local Authorities Traffic Orders Regulations) to place adequate signage, specifically clear and unequivocal signs on the A4 approach as required by Regulation 18. In the Oxfordshire case, advance warning signs were placed at 450, 180, and 20 yards before the restriction. No such advance signage exists on the A4 approaching Rivercourt Road, making this scheme legally deficient. Under the binding High Court judgment in R (Oxfordshire County Council) v. The Bus Lane Adjudicator [2010] EWHC 894 (Admin), paragraph 65, Beatson J established that: "If the signs do not in fact provide adequate information no offence is committed"

Under Section 121B of the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984, Hammersmith & Fulham cannot implement restrictions affecting Transport for London roads (including the A4) without giving proper notice to TfL and obtaining TfL's approval or allowing the statutory consultation period to expire. This is particularly concerning as H&F cannot place signs on the A4 (which is TfL's responsibility), suggesting they may have failed to properly consult on signage requirements under LATOR Regulation 6(1). I formally request evidence that H&F complied with Section 121B requirements. If these statutory procedures were not followed, the entire restriction scheme is unlawful and void.

2. Unsafe Road Layout and Lack of Alternatives
The current layout forces vehicles to stop within 8 metres of the junction, despite the Highway Code indicating a braking distance of 13.5 metres at 30mph. Larger vehicles may be forced to obstruct the A4 to comply. Once committed, given the distance of infringement start point is so small, there is no safe or legal way to reverse or turn around, making it impossible to avoid the restriction without breaching Highway Code Rules 200 and 201. This design contradicts the Council’s duty under Section 122 of the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984 to ensure safe and efficient traffic flow.

3. Unreasonable Expectations on Non-Local Drivers
As an infrequent and non-local user of this route, I was unaware of any recent changes. My longstanding understanding of the road as one-way—reinforced by prominent "No Entry" signs—further contributed to the misinterpretation. The combination of unclear signage, road layout, and misleading cues made it unreasonable to expect safe and lawful navigation without error.

Given these substantial legal and safety concerns, I respectfully request that this PCN be cancelled. The restriction, as currently implemented, is neither lawful nor safe.

I look forward to your confirmation that this charge has been withdrawn.

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