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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Bromley Code 31J Entering and stopping in a box junction when prohibited, Cray Ave/Station Ap. St Mary Cray
« on: October 26, 2025, 12:12:54 pm »
Well done @Hippocrates! Many thanks for your help!!

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Bromley Code 31J Entering and stopping in a box junction when prohibited, Cray Ave/Station Ap. St Mary Cray
« on: July 14, 2025, 03:22:08 pm »
OMG, @Hippocrates so unfotunate to lose a passport while away, i hope you were not too stressed out because of it! and of course you do not need to apologise!

I will gladly accept your kind offer to represent me. many thanks in advance.

I have also seen your PM and will respond to it shortly.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Bromley Code 31J Entering and stopping in a box junction when prohibited, Cray Ave/Station Ap. St Mary Cray
« on: July 14, 2025, 11:14:17 am »
I have now recieved notice of rejection, included above.
Any opinions if it makes sense to go for tribunal and if so any help drafting a representation is greatly appreciated.
Many thanks

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Bromley Code 31J Entering and stopping in a box junction when prohibited, Cray Ave/Station Ap. St Mary Cray
« on: July 11, 2025, 05:57:20 pm »
I have now recieved notice of rejection, included below.
Could you please advise if it makes sense to go for tribunal and if so any help drafting a representation is greatly appreciated.
Many thanks










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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Bromley Code 31J Entering and stopping in a box junction when prohibited, Cray Ave/Station Ap. St Mary Cray
« on: June 18, 2025, 08:23:38 am »
Quote from: MrChips on June 17, 2025, 09:54:27 pm
Sounds almost like AI wrote it! Did you already submit it?

yes submitted yesterday prior to the 14 day period expiry.
many thanks again for your input, @MrChips.

if I understand correctly, the councils are always rejecting the first representation and the same arguments will need to be presented to the adjudicator? If so, should I change anything in my text?

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Bromley Code 31J Entering and stopping in a box junction when prohibited, Cray Ave/Station Ap. St Mary Cray
« on: June 17, 2025, 06:10:38 pm »
appeal submitted (1000 character limit on the council website):

1.   Excessive & Unlawful Demarcation: Yellow box extends into area physically segregated by traffic island, creating unenforceable zone (Highway Code Rule 174). Rain obscured painted lines, making island the sole visible boundary (evidence attached).
2.   Zero Obstruction Proven: Vehicle stopped exclusively within protected island zone to facilitate junction clearance. Video confirms no traffic impediment or safety compromise occurred.
3.   De Minimis Nature: Stopping caused no material obstruction – consistent with R (Davies) v Birmingham CC principle.
4.   Available Exit: Had I proceeded at 5mph (as permitted), the departing vehicle created sufficient clearance before my exit point. Stopping was unnecessary.
5.   Material Timing Inaccuracy: PCN alleges 11:50 violation, but your evidence shows entry at 11:49:44. 16-second discrepancy materially invalidates the alleged offense timing.
PCN void due to unlawful demarcation, de minimis impact, demonstrable exit clearance, evidence inconsistency


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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Bromley Code 31J Entering and stopping in a box junction when prohibited, Cray Ave/Station Ap. St Mary Cray
« on: June 13, 2025, 12:10:24 pm »
Thank you for your offer to draft something @Hippocrates, that would be very much appreciated, and thanks to @MrChips for your input.

@Hippocrates, 14 days from the notice is coming up (on Tuesday), shall i send you a draft i've put together for your review?

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Bromley Code 31J Entering and stopping in a box junction when prohibited, Cray Ave/Station Ap. St Mary Cray
« on: June 08, 2025, 12:01:46 pm »
Quote from: John U.K. on June 08, 2025, 11:32:55 am
Please obtain and post up the video, which is the evidence.

https://vimeo.com/1091571354

Quote from: John U.K. on June 08, 2025, 11:32:55 am

Please also post up the How to make represenatations page(s).




Quote from: John U.K. on June 08, 2025, 11:32:55 am

Not sure why you believe the box is too large??

I believe the area I have marked in red on the image below cannot be used by crossing vehicles. why does the yellow box include it?



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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Bromley Code 31J Entering and stopping in a box junction when prohibited, Cray Ave/Station Ap. St Mary Cray
« on: June 08, 2025, 11:25:52 am »
Hello,
I believe the box junction is unjustifiably large.
Encroaching into the box as alleged has no chance of impacting the crossing traffic.
Please advise on the best next steps.
Many thanks in advance


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