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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Lambeth, Code 52 - no motor vehicles, Kennington Oval
« on: Today at 07:13:06 pm »Yes. Have you any points re the actual contravention signage?
No, I haven't
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No, I haven't
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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Lambeth, Code 52 - no motor vehicles, Kennington Oval
« on: Today at 06:38:52 pm »https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/lambeth-code-53j-failing-to-comply-with-a-restriction-on-vehicles-entering-a-p/msg105113/#msg105113
Point 2.
Thanks @Hippocrates
Do I select "I wish to make representations about this PCN for other reasons"?
Here's my draft:
"I make this formal representation against the PCN:
A motorist must be given wholly correct information when to pay the reduced or full amounts sought. However, there is a clear disconnect between the law and what is stated on your website.
In light of the above, please cancel the PCN."
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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Lambeth, Code 52 - no motor vehicles, Kennington Oval
« on: Today at 05:24:55 pm »Exactly which is why we win on their website. It gets worse further down the line actually. Prod me for a draft
Good to hear, thank you. A draft would be amazing
Hello @Hippocrates, just giving you a gentle prod for a draft as you suggested. Many thanks
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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Lambeth, Code 52 - no motor vehicles, Kennington Oval
« on: January 05, 2026, 02:31:03 pm »Exactly which is why we win on their website. It gets worse further down the line actually. Prod me for a draft
Good to hear, thank you. A draft would be amazing
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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Lambeth, Code 52 - no motor vehicles, Kennington Oval
« on: January 05, 2026, 12:26:40 pm »Please check the increase date with the PCN.
Thanks for the quick reply @Hippocrates
The online date is longer than shown on the PCN itself. I wondered if they added extra days on to allow for Christmas and new year - or is it an error? It's very confusing :/
Online: 17.12.25 to 6.1.26 = 20 days
PCN: 17.12.25 to 31.12.25 = 14 days
The PCN states:
"The amount of penalty charge which is payable is £160. The penalty charge must be paid before the end of the period of 28 days beginning with the date of the notice.
If the penalty charge is paid before the end of the period of 14 days beginning with the date of the notice, the amount of the penalty charge will be reduced by 50% to £80."
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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Lambeth, Code 52 - no motor vehicles, Kennington Oval
« on: January 05, 2026, 12:05:13 pm »Back to the website: what are the dates re increase? Please screenshot.
Thanks Hippocrates. Is this what you're referring to?
@Hippocrates
Firstly, Happy New Year to you!
My PCN is still at discount stage but increases to £160 tomorrow (6 Jan).
I'd appreciate guidance on whether I can appeal this or need to pay (presumably by the end of today before it increases).
If you need further screenshots or information, please let me know.
Thanks for your help!
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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Lambeth, Code 52 - no motor vehicles, Kennington Oval
« on: December 30, 2025, 03:10:55 pm »Back to the website: what are the dates re increase? Please screenshot.
Thanks Hippocrates. Is this what you're referring to?
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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Lambeth, Code 52 - no motor vehicles, Kennington Oval
« on: December 29, 2025, 07:23:47 pm »
Thanks for replying and sharing those GSVs @Incandescent.
Looking again, I definitely didn't pass no entry signs and don't think I drove along Clayton St and turned left. I was coming from SW11 and remember coming round the oval itself so I think I must have gone past Clayton St (to my left) and carried on going.
Fraught with risk indeed! I know the traffic was very heavy that day and my satnav thought it was helping by taking me on a "better" route :/ Clearly, it's not as up-to-date as it needs to be!
If you drove up Clayton St and turned left, you would have passed these No Entry signs:-
https://maps.app.goo.gl/d1Mv4qopFjGqK4hB8
GSV view is dated August 2025; are they still there ? One can see the Flying Motorbike signs to the left, but you shouldn't have even started the turn assuming the No Entry signs are still there. In addition, as you turn in to CLayton St from Kennington Road, there are cul-de-sac signs each side of the street:-
https://maps.app.goo.gl/rr2m2hA3XY2cQmwx8
Looking again, I definitely didn't pass no entry signs and don't think I drove along Clayton St and turned left. I was coming from SW11 and remember coming round the oval itself so I think I must have gone past Clayton St (to my left) and carried on going.
So, all in all, you can now see how use of a satnav in London is fraught with risk, being never up-to-date. When was the last time yours was updated ?
Fraught with risk indeed! I know the traffic was very heavy that day and my satnav thought it was helping by taking me on a "better" route :/ Clearly, it's not as up-to-date as it needs to be!
I see no credible appeal argument for the contravention itself, but appeals have been won in recent times based on council mismanagement of the enforcement process, so wait a bit to see what may be suggested. Councils have recently set-up some appalling websites for submitting representations, and wins have been just on this.Ok thank you, I have a couple of days before the deadline so I'll see if anything's suggested.
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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Lambeth, Code 52 - no motor vehicles, Kennington Oval
« on: December 29, 2025, 04:58:34 pm »
I’ve received a PCN from Lambeth (code 52, no motor vehicles) at Kennington Oval.
I’m unfamiliar with the area and this is my first PCN from Lambeth. There was no intention to disregard any restriction.
The council’s photos and video show “No Motor Vehicles” signs positioned on both the left and right at the entry point. I've matched the buildings and trees in the PCN stills to Clayton Street on Google Street View so I think the contravention occurred on Clayton Street, although the PCN lists the location as “Kennington Oval”.
I couldn’t see any advance warning signage on street view and I think the restriction only becomes apparent at the point of entry itself. I'm not 100% sure on this but by the time the signs were visible, I was already committed to the turn and stopping or reversing would have been unsafe and impractical.
I appreciate that satnav routing is not a defence and I’m not relying on that as a ground of appeal but it explains why I was routed there as an unfamiliar driver.
Having seen the wording on Lambeth’s website trying to put drivers off appealing, I’m expecting them to reject any informal challenge and understand this would likely need to go to tribunal. My question is whether there are realistic grounds to contest this on signage adequacy/point-of-no-return grounds at this location or whether it would be wiser to pay at the discount stage.
Any guidance appreciated. Thanks!
I’m unfamiliar with the area and this is my first PCN from Lambeth. There was no intention to disregard any restriction.
The council’s photos and video show “No Motor Vehicles” signs positioned on both the left and right at the entry point. I've matched the buildings and trees in the PCN stills to Clayton Street on Google Street View so I think the contravention occurred on Clayton Street, although the PCN lists the location as “Kennington Oval”.
I couldn’t see any advance warning signage on street view and I think the restriction only becomes apparent at the point of entry itself. I'm not 100% sure on this but by the time the signs were visible, I was already committed to the turn and stopping or reversing would have been unsafe and impractical.
I appreciate that satnav routing is not a defence and I’m not relying on that as a ground of appeal but it explains why I was routed there as an unfamiliar driver.
Having seen the wording on Lambeth’s website trying to put drivers off appealing, I’m expecting them to reject any informal challenge and understand this would likely need to go to tribunal. My question is whether there are realistic grounds to contest this on signage adequacy/point-of-no-return grounds at this location or whether it would be wiser to pay at the discount stage.
Any guidance appreciated. Thanks!
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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Hounslow code 12s: Parked in resident’s bay in Thornton Avenue and ENGAGED IN LOADING
« on: December 23, 2025, 12:35:31 pm »Loading is an exemption and if you had to carry stuff down then provided you have evidence you should be OK.
Great, thanks for the reassurance.
If this sort of job is regular I would look to avoid PCNs by paying to park - here you were in a shared use bay that would have cost you about £2 for 30 mins.Yes, I do pay to park when I can. I know the road well though and this wasn't a shared use bay, only for residents.
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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Hounslow code 12s: Parked in resident’s bay in Thornton Avenue and ENGAGED IN LOADING
« on: December 23, 2025, 11:35:26 am »
...The PCN shows observation for 8 minutes. This period coincided with internal transfer of items from the first floor to the ground floor and therefore no external activity would have been visible...
I'm a bit confused.
Do you mean you weren't loading anything, or do you mean you were transferring items from the first floor to the ground floor in preparation for loading onto your vehicle and taking away?
During the observation period, I wasn’t actively loading items onto my van. I was transferring them from the first floor to the ground floor in preparation for loading onto my vehicle, working alone and keeping doors closed for security.
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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Hounslow code 12s: Parked in resident’s bay in Thornton Avenue and ENGAGED IN LOADING
« on: December 23, 2025, 10:54:03 am »
Ahh "Minder", the good ole days lol
Thanks for taking the time to reply.
The only thing puzzling me is why you didn't get a visitor permit from the resident at the property where you were delivering goods. Any reason at all ?Unfortunately, the resident's elderly and doesn't have any visitor permits.
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Your other problem is this: -My understanding is that loading isn’t confined to activity visible at the kerb. Internal transfer from an upper floor to ground level is usually regarded as part of the loading process, even where that activity isn’t externally visible, provided it’s continuous and reasonably necessary. Of course, I’m happy to wait for others to weigh in and correct me if I’ve misunderstood.
"This period coincided with internal transfer of items from the first floor to the ground floor and therefore no external activity would have been visible."
It is a bit of stretch to call that part of the loading activity.
Also wait for others to comment as I may not be totally correct on what can be included in 'loading'
Thanks for taking the time to reply.
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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Hounslow code 12s: Parked in resident’s bay in Thornton Avenue and ENGAGED IN LOADING
« on: December 22, 2025, 06:15:02 pm »
I’m the registered keeper and have received a PCN from LB Hounslow.
Code: 12s parked in resident’s parking place without valid permit
No loading ban was in force at the location.
I was engaged in legitimate loading in connection with a private business arrangement.
I placed a “Driver Loading” note on my dashboard with my phone number.
The PCN shows observation for 8 minutes. This period coincided with internal transfer of items from the first floor to the ground floor and therefore no external activity would have been visible.
When I arrived a member of the public alerted me to a theft from a nearby vehicle earlier that day. I didn’t want to take any chances as I was working alone. I left my van locked and the communal doors from the block of flats to the street were also closed.
If needed, I can provide the following supporting evidence:
– Signed and dated statement confirming first-floor collection, multiple/heavy items, that I was working alone, continuous loading during observation period, and security concerns due to reported theft
– Photo of loaded van / proof of multiple items
– Signed and dated statement from customer
Thanks for your help, please let me know the best way to appeal this.
Code: 12s parked in resident’s parking place without valid permit
No loading ban was in force at the location.
I was engaged in legitimate loading in connection with a private business arrangement.
I placed a “Driver Loading” note on my dashboard with my phone number.
The PCN shows observation for 8 minutes. This period coincided with internal transfer of items from the first floor to the ground floor and therefore no external activity would have been visible.
When I arrived a member of the public alerted me to a theft from a nearby vehicle earlier that day. I didn’t want to take any chances as I was working alone. I left my van locked and the communal doors from the block of flats to the street were also closed.
If needed, I can provide the following supporting evidence:
– Signed and dated statement confirming first-floor collection, multiple/heavy items, that I was working alone, continuous loading during observation period, and security concerns due to reported theft
– Photo of loaded van / proof of multiple items
– Signed and dated statement from customer
Thanks for your help, please let me know the best way to appeal this.
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Private parking tickets / Re: ParkingEye PCN - SOUTH MIMMS - overstay / safety stop due to fatigue
« on: November 28, 2025, 01:36:23 pm »
Absolutely amazing! Thank you so much! 
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Private parking tickets / Re: ParkingEye PCN - SOUTH MIMMS - overstay / safety stop due to fatigue
« on: November 28, 2025, 12:11:46 pm »
Apologies, not sure what happened there. These should work:
https://ibb.co/hRdLYBTK
https://ibb.co/JWmKKj0C
https://ibb.co/hRdLYBTK
https://ibb.co/JWmKKj0C
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