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Good Morning,

Could you'll advise if the reason for date mis-match enough grounds for getting this PCN cancelled.

Thank you.

I also have an outstanding PCN for Lambeth at the Kennington Oval. What was the outcome for you please?

https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/lambeth-code-52-no-motor-vehicles-kennington-oval/new/?topicseen#new

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Yes. Tribunal time?

Unsure on this one. What are my chances? Are they likely to cancel because of the website/discrepancies? I don't want to pay £160 :-\

Would love to hear your thoughts on this @Hippocrates. The deadline for paying £80 is 16 March so I need to make a decision pronto.

Thanks!

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Yes. Tribunal time?

Unsure on this one. What are my chances? Are they likely to cancel because of the website/discrepancies? I don't want to pay £160 :-\

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For convenience:





No signature or officer's name on page 3.

@Hippocrates were you able to see all the images? The 2 above and the remainder in the folder here:

https://ibb.co/album/0ywr86

Thanks for your help!

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I know I use The Invisible Man image as a logo but even I cannot see their NOR.  ;D

;D  @Hippocrates
For some reason, the images aren't embedding. I'm doing exactly the same as I always do so will keep trying...

@Hippocrates embedding isn't working at all so I've added a link to an album of 7 images. Click on 'oldest' and you'll see the pages in the correct order. Hope that works for you!

https://ibb.co/album/0ywr86

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I know I use The Invisible Man image as a logo but even I cannot see their NOR.  ;D

;D  @Hippocrates
For some reason, the images aren't embedding. I'm doing exactly the same as I always do so will keep trying...

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Thanks to @Hippocrates, I challenged the PCN as follows:

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"I make this formal representation against the PCN:

There was no contravention because a motorist must be given wholly correct information when to pay the reduced or full amounts sought. However, there is a clear disconnect between the law and what is stated on your website.

In light of the above, please cancel the PCN."

However, it's been refused and today (3 March 2026) I've received this from Lambeth:

https://ibb.co/album/0ywr86

What are your thoughts on appealing this?

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Doesn't really matter as it was unlikely you would have been successful at POPLA with the appeal grounds you used with Parkingeye. Nothing more you can do now until a letter of claim turns up which you can't afford to ignore. When that arrives come back here for further advice.

Oh ok, thanks for the clarification, will do.

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Please post up the appeal response from the operator.

Thanks @InterCity125

















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Did you ever get an appeal response with a POPLA code?

@InterCity125 @b789

Update: I've just found the POPLA code in my emails and realised I missed the deadline :(

Please advise on wording for a safe Letter Before Claim response (30 days, online reply only).

Thanks in advance!

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Did you ever get an appeal response with a POPLA code?

No, I didn't, they didn't reply to my last correspondence asking for one. Everything I've received has been posted in this thread.

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You can respond to that phishing exercise with the following:

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Re: Parking Charge Notice [ref]

Dear Sir or Madam,

I refer to your letter dated 28 November 2025.

First, your assertion that I “stated that [I was] not the driver of the vehicle at the date and time of the breach” is entirely false. I said no such thing. My appeal made it perfectly clear that I am the registered keeper, that I dispute the charge, and that there would be no admission as to the identity of the driver and no inferences or assumptions could be drawn.

Your attempt to rewrite my appeal into something it never said is, at best, sloppily incompetent and, at worst, deliberately mendacious. It gives the distinct impression that nobody at ParkingEye has actually read my appeal and that you are simply spraying out boilerplate bluster in the hope that keepers will be bullied into naming a driver.

For the avoidance of doubt, I will not be identifying the driver. There is no legal obligation on a registered keeper to disclose a driver’s identity and you have no entitlement to that personal data.

You then recite selected snippets from Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, as if parroting paragraphs 9(2)(b) and 9(2)(f) somehow cures the other defects in your Notice to Keeper. It does not. Keeper liability can only arise where an operator has complied with ALL the mandatory requirements of Schedule 4, not just the ones it finds convenient to quote after the event. Your NtK is not fully compliant with all of those requirements; partial or “substantial” compliance is insufficient in law. Consequently, you cannot transfer liability for this charge from the unknown driver to me as keeper.

My position is therefore unchanged:

• I deny any liability or contractual agreement.
• I will not be naming the driver.
• You cannot rely on Schedule 4 PoFA to pursue me as keeper.

You must now either cancel this charge or issue a POPLA code without further prevarication. Any continued attempt to misrepresent my appeal, to misstate the effect of PoFA, or to pursue me as if I were liable despite your own non-compliant paperwork will simply form part of a formal complaint to your client and the relevant regulatory and supervisory bodies.

Yours faithfully,

[Name]
Registered Keeper

@b789 I sent the above to ParkingEye as you suggested. This "Letter Before County Court Claim" arrived from ParkingEye today (23.1.26):




I'd appreciate your guidance on next steps. Thanks!

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Yes. Have you any points re the actual contravention signage?
When I looked at this thread in late December, I got the route wrong. Then when the OP confirmed his route, it became clear that there was an advance sign and the restriction signs, so they looked "adequate", see here: -
https://maps.app.goo.gl/72UKGDT54JQU2xFZ8

I suppose one could argue about the adequacy of just putting up a Left Turn arrow; better to have a larger sign with the layout ahead indicating where to go.

Thanks @Incandescent. Any suggestions from you or @Hippocrates on how best to word this for the representation please? Or anything else that I can add. Thanks

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Yes. Have you any points re the actual contravention signage?

No, I haven't

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