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Was on delivery had several delivries on Browning road. I do not have the record. but I have my pay record for the time and I have google timeline showing me stopping all over the area.

The CCTV seems to show I'm turning right into the restricted road, but there is no road to the right, I was parked offside doing delivery and probably had more dleiveries just up the road which made me not see the sign. I think I was parked close to the sign that my sun visor probably didn't allow me to notice the sign when I got back in my car and proceeded to drive on.

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I'd like to look at the traffic management order to see if there is something in there that has dispensation for "access" in a previous case I took it to tribunal and won (a sign I didn't notice because I was doing multi drop), that time they left something in the open about restrictions to motorvehicle, except for access. The sign didnt say access. And adjudicator granted it because the sign does not comply with the TMO/TRO.

ALthough I'm short of time and on th elast day of discount, not sure if I should just send an appeal now - filling in anything and do more research and take it to tribunal. Or if I should lose the discount and research and file a proper informal appeal (in case they do offer the discount again after rejecting informal appeal).

the gazzette notice is here.

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/notice/3687605

Read 3a on https://www.thegazette.co.uk/notice/3687605

(a) a prohibition of vehicles proceeding in a southerly direction from entering Browning Road at its junction with Rectory Road, except for buses; taxis; pedal cycles; A1 access permit holders, refuse collection vehicles and certain other vehicles in certain circumstances;

I'm hoping on the actual TMO it has except for access.

I searched the forum for

CPM court

and the search returned 156 examples.

money saving expert? I see 25 threads, which forum are you looking at? the mse threads go far back as 2018 mind,.

though as recent as 2024, they took someone to court for not paying to parking, entering and leaving a car park for 12 minutes and driver won in court. But I am surprised they actually took them to court over this.  Maybe it was the strongest short stay infraction they thought they had to try and set a precendant, so they tried their luck.
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the really dodgy driving I have witnessed on the roads, is not from newly passed uk drivers.

I suspect a lot of them are foreign drivers who passed in their country and got the license and are now eligible to drive in UK using their foreign license for 12 months before they are required to pass a UK test.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSpvLBzoAGg 5 minute test in india.

Driving lessons seems so expensive these days, £30 an hour.

I think if the instructor believes the student is ready for their test, they should be the best mentor for the student. They cant stop the student from taking the test too early. But they wont allow their vehicle to be used if the student is completely unlikely to pass. Students coming through the professional tuiton route are vetted informally for their suitability for the test. It would be just excessive beauracracy for these learner drivers.

I think the current system works fine with students under professional tuition. But maybe drivers taught by family need the minimum terms. But how do you enforce this.

I rarely come across issues with p plate drivers on the road. They just drive very slow and taken more time to make decisions and figure out what lane to be in. Its those drivers who are overconfident in their abilities that are a problem on the road.

https://www.uk-carparkmanagement.co.uk/appeals-centre

it seems that the appeals service is only open for 21 days, not 28 days which is the norm. The email did not make that clear. IAS seems like a complete load of nonsense. the website of the so called independant appeals service seems like a uni project thrown up in a weekend.

Is it worthwhile complaining about this racquet between the IAS and CPM to the ADR? Why the mismatched 21 days and then 28 days?

they rejected the keepers representation via email. Was hoping to receive a letterheaded one through the post so I can upload it here. So a copy paste of email body is provided below

I will draft an appeal for the IAS and post here for review, I'm holding my breath, this outfit make BPA/POPLA look like saints. I googled and found out that the IAS and CPM (the appeal body and the parking company) both have the same director so they are probablty a common entity so they are adjudicating themselves.

So I guess this will have to be take up to the courts to appeal when the reject it on the basis on

1) no evidence of signage
2) no location on the camera - literally does not say what street the camera footage came from
amongst others.

IAS will still uphold the parking charge notice despite these flagarant omission of minimum requirement of proving a contractual agrrement with driver.

i will report them to cma

Dear X

Thank you for your appeal against the above Parking Charge Notice.

 

At UK CPM we consider all appeals on a case-by-case basis. We take each appeal very seriously and thoroughly investigate any evidence that has been provided. We appreciate your circumstances and understand this is not a situation anyone would like to find themselves in; however, these parking conditions have been put in place to ensure fair usage for all motorists and support the needs of our client. After careful consideration, it is unfortunate that I am writing to you today to advise that on this occasion, your appeal has been unsuccessful.

 

The decision to uphold your parking charge notice has been made on the following basis.

 

Whilst we note the comments and reason for appeal, we can confirm that the vehicle remained on site for 15 minutes with no permit to authorise your stay. We must advise that this car park is run by Automatic Number Plate Recognition (ANPR) cameras which take a time and date stamped image of the vehicle on entry and exit, measuring the length of time the vehicle remained on site, this information is then cross-referenced with the data from the permit systems. Due to no permit being found, we can confirm that this PCN has been issued correctly.

 

Either due to the reason for issue and/or the insufficient evidence provided to support the details of your appeal, we have considered this PCN and found that it does not fall under the category of Annex F the Appeals Charter of the Single Code of Practice. Therefore, if no further evidence is provided, we will deem this to be our final decision.

 

You have now reached the end of our internal appeals procedure and therefore you now have two options; either pay or appeal to the Independent Appeals Service (IAS) - you cannot do both.

 

To make payment of the total amount due as shown above, please use one of the following payment options;

 

Online: www.paymyticket.co.uk

Telephone: 0345 463 4040 (24hr)

Post: Payments & Collections, PO Box 3114, Lancing, BN15 5BR

 

Alternatively, if you do not agree with your internal appeal outcome and you wish to dispute the matter further, as you have complied with our internal appeals procedure you may use, and we will engage with, the IAS Standard Appeals Service providing you lodge an appeal to them within 28 days of this rejection.

 

The Independent Appeals Service (www.theIAS.org) provides an Alternative Dispute Resolution scheme for disputes of this type. If you decide to appeal to the IAS, you will need to visit their website and use your PCN reference and corresponding vehicle registration. All PCN's will be uploaded to the IAS website by the end of this working day.

 

If you decide to engage with the Independent Appeals Service, any offer of a discount for early payment (if applicable) will be withdrawn. Should your appeal be unsuccessful or you chose to settle the parking charge prior to the appeal being determined, the full amount of the PCN will be payable. Please note that should you pay the parking charge prior to adjudication concluding, the appeal will be closed, and you will not be given a further opportunity to contest the charge.

 

If you do not wish to dispute the matter further and payment is not received within 28 days of the date of this correspondence then additional charges may be incurred, for which you may be liable. If the charge continues to remain outstanding, the matter may be later referred for litigation in the County Court which could result in a County Court Judgment being made against you; this may impact on your ability to obtain credit in the future.

just drove through this today at 10:15am

has anyone else successfully challenged this? Or is it water tight.

I was coming in from the east side and I was doing a delivery just on the other side at st katherines dock . I know there is a bus gate here. I alwyas get nervous when i'm delivering in this area because I dont exactly know where the bus gate is. there are two roundabouts in the wapping high street that look similar and I can never work out which side of the bus gate I'm on. And my stupid delivery app still after 3,4 years hasn't updated the navigation.

It dawned on my that I drove through the bus gate when I ended up in st katherines dock and realised I have driven all the way through. Checked my movements in google timeline and confirms I've gone through.