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Yeah, sorry didn't say, I added a comment to the appeal on their 'amend my appeal' option on website. Think that's good enough?

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Ffs! I wasnt aware of that. Had no idea and never done this before.
I've asked for a change to personal to be considered. Not holding out hope

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I wasn't aware I did or of it's significance/implication. What does that mean for me/my case?

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Hi all,
quick update here.
Case due to be decided on 02/06/2026 by adjudicator.

Here's their letter:




And here's what ive received from the council so far:









Full evidence pack from council here:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/18RRYNnhjHwzIUyDCysACZOvr2rA-Y3GZ/view?usp=sharing
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Thanks again for your help. Just submitted it - will update when i hear back

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This is great, really clear and lays it all out. Thanks @tincombe - i'll go with this.

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Hi all,

just wonder if anyone could help advise on the appeal to the adjudicator. First time doing this and wonder if i can use the above example or just amend the appeal i sent through to the council?

Thanks so much in advance

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Scripted the info to use in appeal to the adjudicator using AI citing the help youve all offered here. I wonder, from your experience, if it's ok, or too much? I'll add lots of pictures to support too


"
Grounds for Appeal: The Alleged Contravention Did Not Occur
1. Lack of Statutory Signage (No Terms and Conditions)
The PCN was issued under Code 86, which is an off-street contravention. This indicates the Council considers this area a "car park" rather than a public highway. For an off-street parking place to be enforceable, the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984 and the Traffic Management Act 2004 require that the terms and conditions of use be clearly displayed on a "Terms Board" at the entrance or within the site.
Argument: There are no signs at the Stocksfield Road Estate location that state vehicles must be parked "wholly within a bay" or that failure to do so results in a penalty. The only signs present are permit-entry signs, which do not specify bay-marking restrictions.
Evidence: Refer to the photos you took showing the absence of a Terms and Conditions board.
2. The Principle of "De Minimis Non Curat Lex" (The law does not concern itself with trifles)
The images provided by the Civil Enforcement Officer (CEO) show a single tyre slightly over the white line at the end of a row of bays.
Argument: The deviation from the bay marking was negligible. My vehicle was not occupying two spaces, was not causing an obstruction, and was not preventing any other user from parking in an adjacent bay, as this was the terminal bay of the row.
Adjudicator Precedent: Adjudicators frequently rule that if a contravention is so slight that it causes no mischief or inconvenience, the PCN should be cancelled under the de minimis principle.
3. Ambiguity of Markings and Historical Context
Argument: The parking area is a non-standard shape (rhombus). Historically, parking was permitted diagonally following the paving edge. The new white lines were only introduced recently (approx. 2 years ago) and conflict with the natural "muscle memory" of the estate's layout.
Evidence: I am a resident of [X] years and have parked in this manner without incident for the duration of my residency. The "contravention" was a result of following the established paving boundary rather than a clearly defined and enforced traffic management scheme.
4. Failure to Consider Discretion (Procedural Impropriety)
Argument: In my formal representation to the Council, I highlighted that I am a valid permit holder and that the error was trivial and unintentional. By failing to cancel the PCN, the Council has failed in its duty to act fairly and proportionately. Under the Secretary of State’s Statutory Guidance, enforcement should be for traffic management, not revenue generation. Issuing a fine for a single wheel over a line in a resident-only zone where no obstruction occurred is a purely punitive and disproportionate use of the Council’s powers.
Summary for your submission:
"I request that the adjudicator cancel this PCN on the basis that the Council has failed to provide adequate signage of the terms of use for this off-street area. Furthermore, the alleged contravention is so minor (de minimis) that it does not warrant a penalty, particularly as I am a lawful resident permit holder and no obstruction was caused."

Thanks in advance

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Thanks Tincombe, appreciate you laying it out clearly.

I'm in agreement with you, no signs no penalty. I'm going to take it to the adjudicator.
I've never done this before but will work through it and any tips would be graciously appreciated.
Like, do i add same reasons for appeal as per the ones i raised to council?

Shortened version from @Stamfordman earlier:

"Contravention did not occur. For an off-street contravention the terms of the car park must be displayed including what can be penalised and no such terms are posted at the location."

Thanks so much again for your support so far!

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A case yesterday where the adjudicator was alert to lack of off-street signage.

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Case reference 2250668310
Appellant Mauricio Soffiati
Authority London Borough of Tower Hamlets
VRM FR19YUE
PCN Details
PCN TT60119828
Contravention date 30 Sep 2025
Contravention time 10:27:30
Contravention location Ocean North Estate X213
Penalty amount GBP 160.00
Contravention Parked in a restricted area in a car park
Referral date -
Decision Date 15 Apr 2026
Adjudicator Mackenzie Robinson
Appeal decision Appeal allowed
Direction
cancel the Penalty Charge Notice.

Reasons
Mr Soffiati parked his vehicle on double yellow lines with his blue badge and clock on display. It seems clear that he thought he was parking on a restricted street, using the exemption provided by his blue badge.
The authority contests the appeal on the basis that the area is part of a car park, and the rules of the car park apply even to the double yellow lines. It maintains that display of a blue badge would provide no exemption, because blue badge holders within the car park should park in the designated disabled bays.
I have seen little evidence that this road is part of a car park. I have seen no official plan of the area, or the signage which would normally accompany a car park. The photographs taken by the civil enforcement officer appear to show an ordinary road with double yellow lines combined with no car parking signs in sight.
Assuming that the authority is correct, and this area is part of a car park, the question is whether that was adequately brought to the attention of the driver, so that he ought to have realised the display of his blue badge would provide no exemption from the double yellow lines. Since I have seen no indication of the rules for parking in the area, such as a sign setting out the rules for parking, I do not find that Mr Soffiatt was given adequate information. In those circumstances, no contravention occurred.
This appeal is allowed.

Thanks @stamdfordman.
Just trying to get myself clued up what i'm working with here.... It sounds like the council believe they are covered as residential permit terms state you need to parked in a bay (see website above) - but they enforcement officer used the wrong code 86 instead of on-street code 24.
Does that sound like the right summary?

https://www.walthamforest.gov.uk/sites/default/files/2023-10/T52b%2823%29%20-%20Made%20Traffic%20Orders%20%28TMO%29%20-%20WSN%20extn%20off%20street.pdf

This document makes things more confusing as they class all of these bays as off-street but they've not put in any signage to distinguish that

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To be expected however, your reps give you a template for any appeal.

Their reference to 'traffic signs' is total nonsense.

The sign is prescribed under Schedule 4 of these regs: https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2016/362/introduction

SCHEDULE 4
Upright signs that control waiting, loading and parking along a road


Road, road, road. They do NOT convey anything off-street unless this is brought to motorists' attention while parking on the land.

IMO, appeal.

While waiting, pl post your permit.

Hi @tincombe, you got me thinking about the terms of my permit, but as they are all virtual now, it's not straight forward to find. I did just come across this FAQ page on council website which states you have to park within the bay though. I wonder if this is what they are falling back on? Although, it still doesnt make sense as the contravention is one for a car park.

https://www.walthamforest.gov.uk/parking-roads-and-travel/parking-frequently-asked-questions#:~:text=Where%20can%20I%20park%20with%20my%20residential%20permit?,Permit%20Holders%20Only%2C%20LH'.

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To be expected however, your reps give you a template for any appeal.

Their reference to 'traffic signs' is total nonsense.

The sign is prescribed under Schedule 4 of these regs: https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2016/362/introduction

SCHEDULE 4
Upright signs that control waiting, loading and parking along a road


Road, road, road. They do NOT convey anything off-street unless this is brought to motorists' attention while parking on the land.

IMO, appeal.

While waiting, pl post your permit.

Yeah, there are no other signs apart from the on street ones for permit holders. But i think they are saying it's all taken care of through that - which as you point out is rubbish.

I don't have a permit apart from a digital receipt from Ringo who manage the permits. It's active for the area Wood Street North, CPZ zones(70029) - but cant find the terms etc apart from the info @Stamdfordman found earlier in the thread - https://www.thegazette.co.uk/notice/3864851
I wonder if that helps?

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Images OK for me.

Frankly, whilst the contravention is really trivial, the fact is you are not fully in the bay, and if you take them to London Tribunals you may well not win on the trivial aspect, because adjudicators can only take matters of law into consideration. You have to risk the full PCN penalty if you take them there.

Yeah, i agree. I've got a week or so to consider next steps. I appreciate your input here!

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I think they must mean this one for permit holders on street


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