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Update regarding my challenge to this PCN.
TFL accepted and cancelled it.
Claimed first offence and if also set up auto-pay 4 days after going through the tunnel, so showing willingness to pay in future.

Worth trying if you get one!



PCN status history
24 June 2025
Cancelled
The Penalty Charge Notice has been cancelled.

24 June 2025
Representation Accepted
TfL has accepted a representation received for this PCN.

24 June 2025
Representation submitted Under review
N/A

17 June 2025
Email dispatched to: thom.c.evans@gmail.com Subj Representation receipted
N/A

17 June 2025
On Hold: SUS26 - Representation Received
N/A

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Thanks @stamfordman
I'll give it a go!

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Hi all,

Issue date: 04/06/2025

PCN: YJ73222274


I was waiting for this to come through as forgot to pay the tunnel on first use. I cross the river maybe once a year, and knew I should now pay, but just forgot to be honest.
Realised a few days afterwards but had just missed the 3 day limit. I then signed up for auto-pay.

Worth appealing on leniency basis? I've also asked Cp87.. for support to take it further.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/zbcHkXcHtehfQ8A5A

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Any updates on this? Expecting a letter soon from my first time use/forgetting to pay too

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Winner winner chicken dinner!!

@mrmustard was fantastic and persistent as he had to stick with it beyond the initial date. Huge thanks once again.

Also, thanks for your help too @cp8759 - really appreciate it.

The council still havent made the signs on this road visible though. Completely covered by the tree now. Useless, and so glad they haven't made money out of this one.

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That would be fantastic and really appreciated @mrmustard. I'll email over now.
I want to thank you too @cp8759 - you've been superb!

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I've never been at this stage before and wouldn't say I'm very clued up about it. Also aware that my initial appeal was pretty naive and it seems that the person who sent this rejection is focusing on what I put in it (that I looked at a sign across the road and presume it to be the same for my bay)

The road still has 1 sign out of 3 originally visible - 1 removed & 1 covered by trees.

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Notice of Rejection of Representation received today and i've attached their response. What do you think regarding making an appeal to the adjudicator?

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Quick update on this,
I've had no response from the council yet, but just noticed that the charge amount has dropped back to £65 on the portal. Will keep my eye out for correspondence too

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That's great. Thank you again for all your help here (and others contributing too). I'll get this sent off now

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That's wonderful, huge thank you once again cp8759.

Should I include the new photo of the missing signage to support? and maybe resend covered one - maybe the council don't know about the missing sign as they don't seem to be maintaining other signs very well on this street

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But there are some who would think: you parked; you failed to make any attempt to look for an applicable traffic sign; it's your fault.
As far as I can work out, there are three applicable signs for the bay where he parked, one was missing (pending the photo I asked for), one was obscured by vegetation, and one was far away and out of sight.

A motorist who parks and gets out of his car is required to look for signs that are visible, he is not required to walk out of sight of his car (after all a CEO might come along and issue a PCN) nor is he required to look behind leaves, branches, bushes and so on.

If none of the signs were visible, the contravention did not occur. The fact that the motorist might have incorrectly relied on an irrelevant sign on the other side of the road would not alter that.

Thank you for laying this out as this is how I see it now and will continue to oppose this.
I respect your overview HC Anderson, and agree that my initial representation was misguided/naive, but ultimately I entered the road, looked around and the only sign to make sense of the parking restrictions was the one opposite. I made a mistake, but so did the council. I want their mistake to be acknowledged and/or have a financial cost, so will take it as far as possible.

I really appreciate both of your input here, so thank you

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Can you go back and get us a picture showing this angle? https://maps.app.goo.gl/iQTY7Cgc8XR3Vx5n8

If you can, that would make the case open and shut.

Sorry for the delay in response but photos taken last night attached.



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That's really interesting though, as gmaps streetview is from april 2022 and the sign across from where I parked shows as mon-sat, but is now the only mon-fri one on the street. So within two years it's gone from mon-fri to mon-sat back to mon-fri.
They've also removed the one you spotted on the left hand side as you enter the road.
I also notice that the tree is covering the sign the year before too.

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Wasn't this sign https://maps.app.goo.gl/mMnZsKXjGkSeG4HY8 just behind where you parked? Is it still there?

No, it must have been removed. Here's a pic of the post taken from my car at the time. You can see the black post to the left as I enter the road

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