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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: LB Havering, code 31J, entering and stopping in a box junction
« on: May 08, 2025, 12:26:41 pm »
I must be missing your point.

The exception is clear. If you're turning right and get stuck in the box by other traffic. You're exempt from the rule. It may be something Council bods ignore. But don't they ignore most rules to issue PCNs in the first instance.

The rule is clear and it might be a win at Tribunal because that's the only time the Law is really considered. It's worth considering in my opinion.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: LB Havering, code 31J, entering and stopping in a box junction
« on: May 08, 2025, 11:50:41 am »
Isn't there a right turn exception for box junctions:

The Traffic Signs Regulations and
General Directions 2016

Box junctions

11.—(1) Subject to sub-paragraphs (2), (3) and (4), the yellow criss-cross marking provided for at item 25 of the sign table in Part 6 conveys the prohibition that a person must not cause a vehicle to enter the box junction so that the vehicle has to stop within the box
junction due to the presence of stationary vehicles.

(2) Subject to sub-paragraph (4) the marking when placed as a box junction within sub-paragraph (6)(c) of the definition of that expression conveys the prohibition that a person must not cause a vehicle to enter the box junction so that the vehicle has to stop within the box junction due to the presence of oncoming vehicles or other stationary vehicles beyond the box junction.

(3) The prohibition in sub-paragraph (1) does not, in respect of a box junction within sub-paragraph (6)(a) of the definition of that expression, apply to a person who—

(a)causes a vehicle to enter the box junction for the purpose of turning right; and

(b)stops the vehicle within the box junction for so long as the vehicle is prevented from completing the right turn by an oncoming vehicle or other vehicle which is stationary whilst waiting to complete a right turn.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Does anyone know the Law regarding Council Suspending Parking Bays?
« on: May 06, 2025, 11:52:22 pm »
Don't bother. You guys are the same type of blunt rude idiots from fightback forums.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Does anyone know the Law regarding Council Suspending Parking Bays?
« on: May 06, 2025, 11:28:52 pm »
I'm sorry but there was a good deal of rudeness.

I never asked anyone to look at a PCN. I'm more than capable of doing that. I'd like to know if anyone has legal knowledge of Councils suspending Parking Bays in the circumstances I described. I received a PCN as a result of their actions and I'm wondering if anyone can help.

Simple really.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Does anyone know the Law regarding Council Suspending Parking Bays?
« on: May 06, 2025, 10:50:24 pm »
I have a live PCN. I thought I'd made that clear. I've made an informal challenge. Also made that clear.

I'd like some comment on the question I asked. If there's no legal basis for a challenge I'll conceed and pay the reduced fine. There isn't a need to be rude. Isn't this just like the fightback forums. Some people just can't be nice.

"Do as you're told or we'll delete you!"

It's not much of an advice site if you do that. Don't you think?

Spidey

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Does anyone know the Law regarding Council Suspending Parking Bays?
« on: May 06, 2025, 06:56:18 pm »
Thanks for the reply.

I don't mean to be difficult, but there isn't a need to post a copy of the PCN or my informal challenge, which I received a refusal email for today. Simply quoting that my car was in the advisory/courtesy DISABLED bay while a parking suspension was in force.

My argument, if there is one, is that the Council cannot suspend a DISABLED Bay that is neither a legal or enforceable Bay. Essentially being a non-entity in Law.

I'm looking for Law that covers this or something similar. If I can prove the Bay isn't really a Bay, then the PCN isn't legal or enforecable.

Please point away to the horizon folks.

Cheers

Spidey

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Does anyone know the Law regarding Council Suspending Parking Bays?
« on: May 06, 2025, 04:49:31 pm »
Hi

My Council has decided to extend their CPZ (Controlled Parking Zone) into my street and last week suspended all Parking Bays in the area. At 09:22 on the day of line marking a cheery red dyed bearded bald twat slapped a ticket on my car before I could move it from my advisory DISABLED space.

CODE 21:-Parked wholly or partly in a suspended bay or space.

I immediately emailed an informal challenge, stating that Advisory DISABLED bays aren't actually enforceable bays according to TSRGD and as such don't really exist in Law. Anyone can park in them and PCNs cannot be enforced for not having a Blue Badge. They really exist in the hope that decent people will keep them free for the DISABLED to park closer to their homes.

My argument was that the Council cannot suspend that which lawfully does not exist.

There is a however...........I was effectively parked on the pavement. Had the CEO issued a PCN for parking on the pavement, I wouldn't had had much of an argument.

Having said that. Does anyone think I have a shout of getting this cancelled at formal challenge??

Thanks for your time

SpiderWriter

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