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@tincombe thanks for flagging, is this something to ask Waltham Forest or raise at tribunal?

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Hi checking if anyone can provide guidance as the council (local authority) has referred to previous tribunal cases:

2250374502 - however the appellant did not make a case of the signage

2250472997 ( FR65871744) - however appellant does not make a case of any issues

Both adjudicators state the signage is clear however as seen on GSW, there are no advance signs on the main road before turning, as a driver you should make the turn while clear, I would have only seen the sign during half turn, again there were pedestrians which I was watching and watching oncoming road potential traffic. If I compare to other adequate signage I would refer to authorities who put up signage on the main road and on the side road turning point itself. is this enough?

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@tincombe yes, they only observed for such a limited time. Unloading a few bags, trolly to building and up and back. Takes more than 5-7 minutes

Do I just say it as it is or is there any structure recommended to present my case to tribunal

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@Incandescent the contravention occurred during loading times, challenge is I was loading, evidence provided from supplier.

Newham have stated (see response via link), observed vehicle for 7 minutes, if no loading seen within 5 mins etc, they deem my stopping in the loading bay to unload coal and go up the building convenience not necessary, hence PCN stays

https://drive.google.com/file/d/10Do509mpucjxssHxbKP7GW5YGqNPkrKd/view?usp=drivesdk


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@tincombe changed to anyone with link

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This is the response from Newham dated 30 April

Response to informal appeal, rejection. 14 days to get the rejection and then make the formal rep

https://drive.google.com/file/d/10Do509mpucjxssHxbKP7GW5YGqNPkrKd/view?usp=drivesdk


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Thanks all - is there any other language to refer to on my appeal to Tribunals, on Procedural Impropriety

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@Incandescent I can grant permission to view, if you wanted to review the evidence pack (not public as includes personal info)

the evidence pack refers to previous outcomes made:

2250374502 - the appellant did not make a case of the signage

2250472997 ( FR65871744) - appellant does not make a case of any issues

Both adjudicators state the signage is clear however as seen on GSW, there are no advance signs on the main road before turning, as a driver you should make the turn while clear, I would have only seen the sign during half turn, again there were pedestrians which I was watching and watching oncoming road potential traffic. If I compare to other adequate signage I would refer to authorities who put up signage on the main road and on the side road turning point itself. is this enough?

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@tincombe https://maps.app.goo.gl/ZcgsPhsB4npFt9X39

you can see the loading bay from this view, looking at anthem way

@Incandescent is there any particular wording to reference or do I just state the obvious, I was on a delivery, I provided the invoice, Newham response was b*ll, do I just appeal formally and take this to Tribunal?

Any directions or steer?

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PN25417145

https://maps.app.goo.gl/7tq3c46jTuGAofMZ8

Parked on anthems ways, loading bay, Mon - Sun 8-11am

I sent evidence of delivery being made, company invoice which has been acknowledged

Newham state that no evidence I was delivering as car viewed for 7 minutes. It was a few bags of coal which takes ages in the buildings to go up. Takes more than a few minutes to go up the front door.

They reference it was not a necessity for me but convenience hence I got the ticket.

Also evidence on PCN portal the images are not time stamped so no evidence the CEO watched for any duration.

Additionally Newham website reads as I can unload and no mention of the 5 minutes they claim I need to be seen.

https://www.newham.gov.uk/parking-permits/parking-rules-newham/3

I’ll upload their response via google link need to remove private data.

Do I have grounds for strong appeal?


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Is it worth comparing other signs in other boroughs, like Redbridge they have sign on main road before these school or neighbourhood restrictions

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The authority has uploaded a pack. They reference a previous case which was appealed on similar grounds and adjudicator sided with them.

I’ll share the pack, does have details on will try obscure

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@tincombe

I am grateful for your assistance. should I update the appeal via LT portal to PI

thank you - I will do that now, moving focus to PI

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