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@Incandescent understood

And I should always request in person to explain my points and opportunity to answer any queries

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@Incandescent i went back and can confirm there are no signs on the main road I was on before I made the right turn

Additionally the sign is obstructed slightly due to another sign on the main road and a tree

CCTV images also shows pedestrians

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FGKFzqso_tDETfS8LVNJ154DgEPZZf1k/view?usp=drivesdk

I think should take it to next step. Would be grateful with any assistance

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on 18 March the appeal was rejected.

the letter does not consider there is absent signage on Higham Hill Road E17 (from direction I was travelling) but there is signage from opposite direction of travel for drivers looking ahead before making the turn.

link: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-BX1WiZAEgJN6hAH6cAPUm6k1oBhJwFY/view?usp=share_link

Is it worth me proceeding to appeals, on the basis there was no sign head on, lack of adequate signage. main argument is, council has put other signs opposite side for drivers driving head on HIghams Hill

@Hippocrates @Incandescent

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@Incandescent please can you review before I send today (final or penultimate day to appeal NTO)

I am writing to make a formal representation against the Notice to Owner issued for Penalty Charge Notice ZN1957369A, originally dated 6 December 2025.

I previously submitted an initial informal challenge on 19 December 2025 explaining the circumstances surrounding the alleged contravention. However, I did not receive any response to this challenge.

After reviewing the parking ticket portal history, I can see that my challenge was recorded as received on 17 January 2026 and rejected on 21 January 2026, with a further request for information also recorded on 21 January 2026. Unfortunately, I did not receive any notification of the rejection or the request for additional information.

I then received the Notice to Owner dated 9 February 2026.

I would like to reiterate the reasons for my appeal.

At the time the vehicle was parked in the bay, the car was not working due to a fault. The alternator had failed, which meant the battery was low or not working and the vehicle could not start and therefore could not be moved.

I previously provided supporting evidence in the form of an invoice from my local mechanic/garage confirming the mechanical issue. On 6 December 2025, the mechanic attended and assisted in starting the vehicle so it could be driven back to the garage for repair. The vehicle was immobilised due to a fault outside of my control, the vehicle remained in the bay solely because it could not be moved.

In addition, the photographic evidence provided with the PCN does not clearly show both the restricted time sign and my vehicle.

The contravention did not occur, as parking restrictions should be excepted where a vehicle is stopped or parked due to circumstances beyond the driver’s control.


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thank you all

to summarise I should form my appeal on the basis of

contravention did not occur' based upon a provision within the traffic order which designates and regulates the parking place that the requirement to pay/display a permit is excepted if the driver was parked due to circumstances beyond their control.

providing evidence

should I stay away from the lack of "complete" evidence as google street maps etc shows the signage?

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@tincombe

can you expand on the 'o/s 27', where does it specify this? thanks

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Wow - is it worthy point or looks like not worth raising in NTO response

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Thank you for all your responses.

I do plan to respond to the NTO.

For background i did respond via their portal informal appeal, explained car issue and mechanic helped me get back to driving, alternator issue. provided invoice as part of informal appeal.

I have not heard back from them on my informal appeal, I will address this in the NTO and refer to informal appeal when responding to the NTO.

I also wanted to check if the whole PCN is even valid as the enforcement officer / ticket officer did not take an image of my vehicle and the signage that I was supposed to have seen and allegedly contravened 

Background:

Job for a customer on the same road, parked outside her property while she sorts out permit, she explains she will swap places (car places) and let me park in her special bay and leave her badge in my car.

My car no longer starting, sudden failure. I look at the signage, its close to 630pm time and the sign states Monday - Saturday 0830am-630pm restriction resident permit holders only

Match and Event Day - resident permit holders only - 830am - 830pm / Sunday and public holidays noon - 4pm

FYI - I am local arsenal fan, they were playing away to Villa, turns out the Women's team were playing at the Emirates. However, wasn't to know hence this pickle.

While the car didn't start, I called local mechanic to have a look as it wasn't a long journey for them, i provided an invoice for this mechanic as part of my appeal.

I also spoke to @Hippocrates and highlighted that more importantly was the PCN valid / appeal-able given the PCN evidence does not contain a photo of the car vehicle allegedly contravention and the signage in one photo to confirm that signage was visible.

Historically, a written appeal to adjudicator stage went my way when the adjudicator referenced lack of evidence of vehicle and signage of contravention, in one photo for evidence.

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PCN: ZN1957369A
Location: Woodstock Road, N4

I received a PCN on
I have received a NTO on 9 February 2025
drive: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1z4UE496eIdI2jdN3Oz5TX5dOk87ihwau?usp=sharing

I appealed that I was broken down, needed assistance before I could move from the location.
I also appealed that the evidence provided did not prove the alleged contravention as there were no images of the car and the sign in one photo clear

I did not receive a reply to my appeal and have received the NTO

Do I have grounds in tribunal to re-provide my garage invoice, displaying evidence of assistance / repair before I moved and the photo issue? 

I wanted to consult as previously several years ago I was challenged by Newham Council that the garage I used was not VAT registered so they could not accept the invoice provided by a small garage.

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Thanks

Is there any evidence I need to prepare to counter the adequate claims?

or as first step just prepare an informal appeal explaining inadequate signage / as seen on evidence footage of pedestrians crossing that I had to be aware of

and with traffic pressure to make turning

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Location: 51°35'37.1"N 0°02'04.5"W / St Andrews Road E17 / Higham Hill Road E17

PCN: FR67860862

Google Drive: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1H2X_6gh_MvaRA_F-tOs0dlAalFRH_UkP?usp=sharing
PCN on drive

I was driving on Higham Hill Road E17 (from Billet Road side) and turned right onto St Andrews Road E17.
I do not recall any signage, I will go back to check again. Google Maps does not show any signs facing me

although on the other side, travelling towards Billet Road on Higham Hill E17 and turning left, there are signs.

I have seen a few similar scenarios and PCN appeal drafts, is there anything I should consider?

@Hippocrates

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Thank you @Hippocrates

I requested CCTV via email (instructions online - Data protection etc) and gave them a call, calling was useful they put the days of PCN on hold and also requested CCTV

Once cctv came (recorded delivery), I responded using the technical template Hippocrates used before and included "cctv footage does not show alleged contravention, not see me driving past a bus lane sign"

PCN cancelled for both PCN.

Thank you

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@cp8759 cp8759 have just seen your post on tfl pcn

Hoping for help, my post hasn’t got traction yet

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@Hippocrates @mrmustard apologies for tagging abruptly but needed guidance on this case, hoping for direction to help or help.

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I’ve received two PCN from TFL for being in a bus lane in A13 Newham Way E6 Westbound

Date / Time: 14/11/2025 @ 14:56 (notice date 19/11)
11/11/2025 @ 20:37 (pcn notice date 17/11)

PCN received 21/11/2025

Location: https://maps.app.goo.gl/uN9zgsxVHxVUqg51A

The location perfectly shows the sign I also saw on the days of contravention, marked out signage.

Google drive: PCN and sign screenshot

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1zoKuk9DBlotoeL5GCWIwc9Yd87z87Tw8




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