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Thanks for the reply. I felt the same that the expectation that a driver driving past at 20 would see that mid drive, without intentionally seeking it out,was a big ask. 
I drove past the following day specifically to look for them and the signs are indeed there.
Do you know if there is any way to check if there have been any previous precedents of cases/appeals being accepted on these grounds? I remember hearing (could be incorrect) that Newham mo is to refuse all first appeals and only backdown at or before the hearing. So would need some sort of precedent before challenging all the way,
Thanks in advance.

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Complete PCN - https://imgpile.com/p/SNUAoju
I traced my route to the parking spot, and I am assuming this is probably the sign board they'll rely on. No idea when it turned up but I've driven to the area for years and never noticed it before. Did not understand the reason for the PCN on the day (yesterday) so I didn't go to check the sign yesterday, hence the streetview link.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/nXp6RcpX1gDQ9T3r6

Thank you

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Hi All, I parked on Mark Street in Stratford E15. Really pleased with myself at having found an empty space on a single yellow on a sunday. No blips on the kerb and no road signs anywhere indicating hours of operation. Googled and Gpt'd 'can you park on a single yellow line on sunday in newham?'. Happy with the positive outcome i went on my way, 

Came back a short while later to the attached PCN. I was completely baffled why i had received it, and assumed it was a mistake. And then i kept digging further. Apparently sunday was a match day (i dont follow the football). And apparently i had also passed a sign on West ham lane that says you can't park in the whole of Stratford on event days.

So in short - is there any avenue for appeal at all? or do i have to put this down to learning?. Really annoyed with myself and the whole system that means a sign easily missed while driving applies to a whole area, even though instinct usually means a driver would typically check the road they're parking on rather than elsewhere before parking.

Thanks in advance. PCN and streetview attached as advised.

https://imgpile.com/p/Q8AJ0df
https://maps.app.goo.gl/3YyqRwPfPBe6EeRa7     

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Further note to add - He has been fined £583 which wasn't on the first letter he received (referenced above).
PS: His uber license is up for renewal, which he applied for a few months ago - Unclear what will become of this with MS90.

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UPDATE:
Hi All,
To recap since this post was last year - a relative foolishly duped into paying someone to 'deal with speeding letter', he gave the subsequent police letter to the same people, eventually police wrote to him saying (paraphrased) "this isn't true, and the address/ details you gave are from a nip farm". I subsequently asked here for best suggestions/advice.

I wanted to send an update on this as promised, as others had made contact that they were in the same position too. ('NIP farms' etc)
I recommended the advice given here. He replied to the letters with minimal information, not saying anything more than what was asked/ needed.
His hearing was postponed once, but finally took place a few days ago.  He did not attend (as advised).
He was concerned he'd receive a ban or much worse ie a criminal conviction.
He received a letter today giving him 6 points. I couldn't see the offence code on the letter, but loaded the letter to chatgpt which has said it is an MS90, inferred from the reference to "section 172(3) of the RTA 1988". Nothing on the letter about a fine.

Thanks again to those who helped, and all the best to anyone going through the same. Lesson also to those tempted to use those scammers - they left him high and dry and just stopped answering his calls when sh*t hit the fan, despite all their promises when he first paid them. He only mentioned it to me when they had already replied to two letters for him then gone AWOL, probably because I would've told him it was a bloody stupid decision in the first place!

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The OP appears to have a history of leaving out significant details and then drip-feeding. And those that ought to know better seem to be creating noise by repeating the same questions regarding the missing crucial details.

Apologies all. I was previously getting an email for every reply, but for some reason this stopped with all the last batch so didn't get all the last replies until i logged in by chance this evening.
Id assumed what i posted previously was the whole of the paperwork from them, and had understood that as the offence (it's all I'd received from him). I've just asked for it all now and have attached everything that appears to mention the offence - the rest looks generic. I understood the previous paperwork as he could choose to plead guilty to the speeding, and not guilty to the other charge. Having just seen the rest of the paperwork, i'm not so sure anymore.

If there's any thing else you need, please ask.

https://imgur.com/a/fwN1dQC

Thanks in advance

Ps - there was no intention to dripfeed info, I'd sent what i had in good faith, not seen all this before.


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He’ll have to wait for the actual SJPN to see what is charged, or does he have that and you’ve not shared it?

Looks like what he was sent is the the SJPN (didn't realise this is what the letter was called). I've attached to the original post now too. https://imgbox.com/gallery/edit/MD6M2NPRpU/53XgdYWm56hIj0Bs

Thanks

EDIT: Just to add, he did reply and give his driver details when i first advised after the post here. This was sent via recorded delivery.

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PS - I've tried attaching the letter (only small file - about 500kb) but its telling me upload folder is full. Happy to still upload it if needed and anyone knows another way. 
You'll need to use a third party site like Imgur to upload images.

Thanks, I've just attached the letter to the post now.

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Hi All,
I wanted to follow up for those who'd kindly helped previously and also in case anyone else is in the same predicament.

He took the advice and gave his details. They responded with the attached letter.

It looks like they’ve invited him to court. Does the forum have any advice re this hearing? Should he attend? Does anyone have experience of these and likely outcome? I’ve told him a disqualification is definitely possible.

Any and all advice appreciated. He’s a decent guy who done something stupid. 

If I remember correctly, there was another case like his on the forum when I first posted and their hearing was in September. I’ll go and look for that post now in case they’ve updated.

Thanks all

EDIT: Letter attached - From the other forum posts, I've realised this is Single Justice Procedure Notice. https://imgbox.com/gallery/edit/MD6M2NPRpU/53XgdYWm56hIj0Bs


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Thank you. He was the driver - will tell him to fill in the correct details and hope for the best. Can only give the advice and hope he takes it!
I'll update here if he shares the outcome with me. 

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Strange that we've seen two posts originating today where "Wizard Wheezes" (aka utter stupidity) have been employed.

I'd never even heard of 'wizard wheezes' before today (I was getting Harry potter references when i googled it after Rookie's post earlier!). I just saw the other post from today you mentioned - I'd be having sleepless nights if that were me!!

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Thanks all for the input. I will suggest as advised.

Do you think I should tell him to write a cover letter ("hi there must've been a mistake, here are the correct details now"), or just fill in the driver details?


 

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Thank you for the reply. Foolish people taking foolish advice unfortunately, I think someone else helped fill in the letter for him and now gone awol.
Wish he'd told me about it then, as i'd have said the same thing then too. Maybe i'm too risk averse, but it saves nonsense like this.

As before, would be great to hear from someone who's been through it. Mainly because the stakes are just so high like you mentioned.
I'm tempted to just say 'here's what i think you should do, but understand it does come with its own risk'

Any other advice you would give?
Thanks

 

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Hi All,

I’m seeking some advice on behalf of someone else please. (no really lol) I've tried searching google/ the forum but could only find references to the old pepipoo, which would no longer open.

He received a speeding letter/ NIP and submitted driver details. 46mph in a 40.

They’ve written back to him, rejected the nominated driver and effectively said the following (paraphrased for brevity) –

1.The person who you said was driving is not on the car’s insurance policy.
2.They’re not registered at the address you gave with a valid uk driving license.
3.Nominated person is not on the voters roll there.
4.It’s an offence to provide misleading/ inaccurate driver details
5.You must provide driver details by law.

They’ve “suspended the file for 7 days to provide correct driver details, and supporting evidence for the original submission”. First thing I suggested was to write back and say “it was me driving, and here are my details”. However, here is the question – if he does this are they likely to pursue/ prosecute him for the incorrect original submission?

Last thing I want to do is offer some advice in good faith trying to be helpful and he ends up in a worse position and I’m the one responsible.  If its relevant he’s an uber driver too.

Has anyone been in this situation, or know of similar? And/ or know what happened in the other cases?
Thanks in advance.

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