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Ok, thank you very much for your advice. Sorry if this is a daft question, but what do you mean by my original reps? Thanks again

I am keen to go further with this, as I genuinely believe that this PCN has not been properly served and I shouldn't be required to pay. I am the registered owner of the vehicle and have the V5. If you would be able to advise further steps, or link me to any pages on the forum which contain this info it would be much appreciated. Thank you all for your help so far 

Appeal rejected:Dear Mr TrimbleTRAFFIC MANAGEMENT ACT 2004PENALTY CHARGE NOTICE OD08221819VEHICLE REGISTRATION NUMBER L3DTODATE OF ISSUE 01/04/2025 at 11:50I am in receipt of your correspondence regarding the above Penalty Charge Notice (PCN).The PCN was issued as the above vehicle parked in a residents or shared use parking place or zonewithout clearly displaying either a permit or voucher or pay and display ticket issued for that place.In your correspondence you state there were no markings or signage of any kind in the area you parkedto alert you to the fact that a permit was required. You also state that the signage present is inadequateand does not meet regulatory standards.A Controlled Parking Zone (CPZ) is indicated by signs on all entry points to the zone that state "Permitholders parking only past this point". If the CPZ is not operational at all times, the times and days ofoperation will also be stated on these signs. There are also smaller signs on lamp posts throughout theCPZ which state "Permit holders only". All exit points from the CPZ are signed with time plates thatstate "Permit parking ENDS".There is no requirement within a CPZ for bay markings, and the CPZ is considered to be sufficientlysigned to indicate to a motorist that parking is for permit holders only. Whilst I acknowledge the imagesyou have provided a driver has the responsibility to ensure they fully check a location for restrictionsprior to parking. As a permit was not displayed, a concession to park was not granted, and there are nogrounds for cancelling the PCN.I have inserted timed and dated images taken by the Civil Enforcement Officer:You can still take advantage of the discounted charge of £35.00 if payment is made no later than thelast day of the period of 14 days beginning with the date on which this letter was served.Please see details of How to Pay at the end of this letter.Their mentioning of 'a permit was not displayed, therefore there are no grounds for the PCN to be cancelled' is interesting as it was clearly never my argument that I had a permit, and it seems that OMBC are simply glossing over their woefully inadequate signage. They also state that the exits are signed with 'time plates' which is simply a work of fiction, as these do not exist.Could anyone please advise if there is an appeals process beyond this, is traffic penalty tribunal an option, as I really resent having to pay this fine when it has clearly been setup to sting unsuspecting motorists. I will also attach below their, PEO's images.https://drive.google.com/file/d/1PPZspnhavsv5KKqLNKPLUD9VzlbE1U5f/view?usp=sharing

Okay please see draft below,I am writing regarding PCN OD08221819, served on 01/04/2025, apparently on the grounds of 'Parked in Residents Area without clearly displaying a permit.' I was completely unaware that this area was under any parking restrictions, as can be seen from my attached images, there are no markings or signage of any kind in the area where my vehicle is parked which would alert me to this fact. (Images from the original post to be attached)After revisiting the area, I have discovered that the only signs which would have indicated to me that I am entering a restricted parking area are: small, poorly maintained, and completely inadequate. On the date of the alleged contravention, I entered Mitre Street from it's junction with George Street. I would also note that George Street contains no parking restrictions for vehicles parked along its North side, but appears identical to the area in which I parked in terms of a lack of signage and road markings, further adding to the lack of clarity between the restricted and non-restricted parking zones within this area. I have since discovered that the only signage to establish the boundary between the unrestricted George Street and the restricted Mitre Street, is a small and heavily obscured sign on the East side of Mitre street. On the occasion on which the PCN was served, the sign was obscured by two large vehicles parked directly in front of it, meaning that it was almost completely unnoticeable from a passing vehicle, I have dashboard camera evidence of this fact. The sign itself is also woefully inadequate, so much so that I believe it does not meet the regulations set out in Traffic Signs Manual Chapter 3 Section 13.10, which would only deem a sign of such size suitable 'in an environmentally sensitive area where the road is very narrow.'I would also argue that as the sign in question can be so easily obscured by parked vehicles and overgrown vegetation, that Oldham Council have failed to meet the standards set out in the LATOR Regulations 1996, Section 18 which states that 'the order making authority shall take such steps as are necessary to secure the maintenance of such signs for so long as the order remains in force.'I would therefore argue that I am not liable for the PCN served on 01/04/2025 due to the insufficient and inadequate signage which Oldham Council have provided at the site. I also notice that your enforcement officer has not yet provided any photographic evidence that any alleged contravention has actually taken place.

Thank you both for your help.I've returned to the site this morning, and taken the following image. As you can see, the sign is slightly more visible than the 2023 street view, but still fairly discrete for a sign which is the only indicator that you're entering a completely restricted area. https://drive.google.com/file/d/16aFx5_TiU2UP_tN-11eBwZ7_DIk8c3Ks/view?usp=sharingI've also looked at my dash cam footage from yesterday, and discovered that there were two vans parked in the spaces yesterday, which are occupied by the blue focus and silver peugeot in the picture above. This made the sign almost impossible to see, and I have video evidence of this. I will definitely be challenging this, as Incandescent has said, it has clearly been set up to sting unsuspecting motorists. PCN images available below:https://drive.google.com/file/d/1aTp1egOMpk3PFmwryTed-npfQwszny9D/view?usp=sharinghttps://drive.google.com/file/d/1X_JvIaeUIdDl9DQ2fWrz_81jM22FdJe3/view?usp=sharing

Hello,Thanks for the quick reply. On reviewing google street view, I can now see the sign which you've shown here. I didn't enter from Crown Street but actually came down George street, and turned onto the top of Mitre Street, so wouldn't have gone past it. There is also a sign at the top of Mitre Street, which I didn't see, but from the attached links you can see why, it's very heavily obscured.ThanksDanielhttps://drive.google.com/file/d/1k-fhzNzGDRVtLZxmQPyKHBojtm4kmRK2/view?usp=sharinghttps://drive.google.com/file/d/17rv6YujCID14lcizdT_TorDo75RDDRCM/view?usp=sharing

Hello,I have received a PCN this morning from Oldham Council, apparently for Code 12 'Parked in a residents or shared use parking place or zone without clearly displaying.' To my knowledge, there were no restrictions in place on this street and as can be seen from the attached google drive links, there are no signs or road markings in place to suggest that my vehicle (black) was parked in a restricted area. On adjacent streets there are signs saying 'Permit Holders Only', with no markings, but on the adjacent 'George Street' there are again no markings and no Permit Holder Only signs, therefore it is completely unclear which areas are under restriction and which aren't. I've refrained from contacting Oldham Council yet regarding the fine, do I have a legitimate case for appeal?Thank you for reading,Danielhttps://drive.google.com/file/d/1D9TcqZne9qz6sgfkdqlVMoMZrMu4y0B8/view?usp=drive_linkhttps://drive.google.com/file/d/13mvxrcXI9vi6YiH1cxdlnNO23Lz_FQDz/view?usp=drive_link