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Other PCN was cancelled, I've attached screenshots

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Sure yes, attaching now

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Hello again,

I have received a PCN for the same location as my previous post - https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/pcn-newham-council-contravention-code-40/30/

My vehicle was unfortunately towed, However this time the council have rejected my appeal and provided a TMO from 2007 for the location. Can the council use an older TMO?

Recent TMO was kindly provided by @cp8759
Notice of rejection letters have been attached but only limited to 4 pictures.

Thank you :)

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Thank you very much for the TMO! I appreciate it a lot sir!
Glad to know the so called bay doesn't exist there.

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It certainly looks like it, I expect you'll get a notice of acceptance in the post soon. If not, that screenshot is a get out of jail free card, so you've won either way.

Well done!
Perfecto! No way will I be joining 'mugged'😂. Will update here once I receive the NOA letter🤝.

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So I've checked my ticket on Newham website on the 21st April, it stated £0. I thought it was a glitch in the system, so I checked a couple days later and it still stated £0? I've waited a week and nothing through the post or email (even junk). I clicked on pay now and it does say there is nothing outstanding. Can I assume Newham have cancelled the ticket then?

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I'm in a similar situation to you : https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/pcn-newham-council-contravention-code-40/

You can take some bits and bobs out from mine (page 2), and then post a draft here and the guys here can confirm to send.

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You're right, I requested the order for Dongola Road but actually this location is Dongola Road West, so I've now requested the correct order.
Hi Cp8759, Just wanted to ask if you've managed to get a hold of an order for this location?
Unfortunately it's not due back until 6 May, so I can't chase until the 7th.
No worries, all good. Was just asking incase maybe you got it.
OP, at the present moment the only significance of the Order that I can see is if the authority re-offer the discount in a NOR, you then have to factor in its contents to your decision making. But as there's no post until Tues. 22nd so even if the discount is re-offered in a NOR then it's likely that you'll be within any 14-day extension even by 6 May.

Wait for their response to your formal reps.
Yes, just waiting for their response atm and then we can go from there.

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You're right, I requested the order for Dongola Road but actually this location is Dongola Road West, so I've now requested the correct order.
Hi Cp8759, Just wanted to ask if you've managed to get a hold of an order for this location?

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I think you did see it but forgot about it? You did comment mentioning the CEO handbook has no weight. If you scroll up slightly I've attached the Notice to Owner file, alongside my Formal Rep letter. Unfortunately for me I got carried away, very silly of me. So I'm waiting to see if the accept/reject it, but if they reject it then I'll get a notice of rejection letter right?

Right, I see what you mean, so you've made a formal representation and you're waiting for the notice of rejection. Let us know when you get it and we'll see what the options are.
No worries, I will update here on the outcome as soon as I receive the letter. Thank you  :)

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With the best will in the world I don't have time to look at something that is not time-critical, let me know when you have a notice to owner and I'll look at this again.
No worries, it's all good. I will inform here on the outcome of my formal appeal.

Please don't get ahead of yourself, you've not made an appeal, you've not even made a formal representation. Let us know when you receive the notice to owner and we will help you draft a formal representation. Please don't go it alone because if you do and it doesn't work out, it then may be too late for us to help.
I think you did see it but forgot about it? You did comment mentioning the CEO handbook has no weight. If you scroll up slightly I've attached the Notice to Owner file, alongside my Formal Rep letter. Unfortunately for me I got carried away, very silly of me. So I'm waiting to see if the accept/reject it, but if they reject it then I'll get a notice of rejection letter right?

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With the best will in the world I don't have time to look at something that is not time-critical, let me know when you have a notice to owner and I'll look at this again.
No worries, it's all good. I will inform here on the outcome of my formal appeal.

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Part of what you've submitted is misconceived (the CEO handbook has no legal weight whatsoever), but we are where we are.
I understand. My fault for getting carried away.  :(
Here is The Newham (Plaistow North) (Disabled Resident Parking Places) (No. 2, 2017) (Amendment No. 4) Order 2022.

Any sign of the NTO yet?
Also I've realised something. It states ' Dongola Road West, the north side, from a point 3.5 metres west of a point opposite the
westernmost wall of Bemersyde Point, Dongola Road West westward for a distance of 2.4
metres and which has a width throughout of 4.3 metres. Special manner of parking 90° to the edge of the carriageway '.
Which I believe is referring to this bay https://maps.app.goo.gl/ZRNofGpB1nygRUNs5 . It mentions about 90 degree so i'm pretty sure they are referring to this bay. The sign does state permit holders only, but it has been changed in which I have attached a picture for reference of that sign (Do have to zoom in a little).

This is the closet thing that relates to where I've parked ' "THE NEWHAM (PLAISTOW NORTH) (DISABLED RESIDENT PARKING PLACES) (NO. 2, 2017) (AMENDMENT NO. 4) ORDER 2022". It mentions 'the north side of Dongola Road West, outside the Howard Baker Nursery'. However, I looked online and can't find anything relating to Howard Baker Nursery so technically like you mentioned this bay really doesn't exist then?

OP, you hold a permit. It therefore follows that you are local.

Can we please have clear photos(not dated GSV etc. but photos) of where you were parked. Other posters to their credit are trying to fill in your gaps when it's easier for you to do so definitively.

No substantially compliant parking place markings = no contravention.

Substantially compliant markings but no underlying TMO restriction = no contravention.
Sorry I'm aware you have requested not GSV photos but there are still some cars at the location so I provided a snip of the area from 2016 and added lines to show where I was parked. Not the best of picture, sorry.

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Here is The Newham (Plaistow North) (Disabled Resident Parking Places) (No. 2, 2017) (Amendment No. 4) Order 2022.

Any sign of the NTO yet?
Hi there, thank you for getting the TMO for me, I appreciate it a lot.
I unfortunately got a bit carried away and posted a formal appeal a day ago :-\. I've attached the file of what I've sent to the Council, let me know what you think.
OP, you hold a permit. It therefore follows that you are local.

Can we please have clear photos(not dated GSV etc. but photos) of where you were parked. Other posters to their credit are trying to fill in your gaps when it's easier for you to do so definitively.

No substantially compliant parking place markings = no contravention.

Substantially compliant markings but no underlying TMO restriction = no contravention.
Yes I agree with you. I went ahead with No parking place markings. I will later today show where I was parked, theres some cars currently parked at the location now.

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Hi there, thank you all for the comments.
Newham updated signs for a further towards the building block as well as displaying a valid 'Disabled' road marking. Not on the PC at the moment but you'll be able to see it if you flick through the years. It will be the Bay closet towards building block.
Road entrance signs are still there for 'PN'.

Edit: Just checked the links provided, there is no valid order either for the disabled residents permit place bay here too (Same road but further ahead)

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