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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN 53j due to road works and diversion
« on: June 25, 2025, 10:40:13 am »
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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN 53j due to road works and diversion
« on: June 24, 2025, 05:14:45 pm »
Hello H C Andersen, Sorry, I wasn't able to explain my point properly.
We were on Beverly road where we came across diversion which sent us on St Georges Rd(post 2, picture 1 and 2) with pedestrian zone on it at school timings.
The council had not covered the pedestrian signs on the St Georges Rd even though there was a diversion in place. Is my argument valid that if the council had covered the signs of pedestrian zone while the diversion was in place then I would have not turned on to another street and ended up on Halbutt Street.
We were on Beverly road where we came across diversion which sent us on St Georges Rd(post 2, picture 1 and 2) with pedestrian zone on it at school timings.
The council had not covered the pedestrian signs on the St Georges Rd even though there was a diversion in place. Is my argument valid that if the council had covered the signs of pedestrian zone while the diversion was in place then I would have not turned on to another street and ended up on Halbutt Street.
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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN 53j due to road works and diversion
« on: June 23, 2025, 08:52:09 pm »
They have rejected the appeal, I am copying and pasting from the email that I received when I appealed.
Case number: BZ8183243A
Vehicle registration: WJ05HCF
Contravention: 53J PEDESTRIAN ZONE (CAMERA)
Date and time of contravention: 09/05/2025 15:51
Reason for appeal: 'There was no contravention of an order or failure to comply with an indication on a sign'
Your answers:
-Question 1 : 'Would you like to give us any more information or tell us about mitigating circumstances?'
Answer : 'Yes'
-Question 2 : 'Please explain in as much detail as possible why you think your PCN should be cancelled'
Answer : 'The contravention did not occur due to the council’s failure to comply with statutory traffic signage duties during an official diversion. A closure of Beverley Rd (LBBD Twitter, 30/04/2025) diverted traffic onto St Georges Rd, a pedestrian zone under TRO 2023 (doc 10285). However, the mandatory pedestrian zone signs on this diversion route were not covered, misleading me and sending me onto Westfield Rd and Halbutt St. This breaches the Traffic Signs Manual (Ch. 3, paras 4.6 & 5.2) and TSRGD 2016 (Reg. 18), which require clarity and removal or covering of misleading signs. Enforcement is therefore unlawful (Nottingham v Bus Lane Adjudicator, 2017). My disabled vehicle (Blue Badge [LD4588 0 0205X1026]) was returning from Tulasi Medical after the appointment with the doctor. I request cancellation. If refused, I formally request full disclosure of St Georges Rd and Halbutt St CCTV, signage logs, and Halbutt St TMO under FOIA and common law rights.'
-Question 3 : 'Would you like to upload any other documents to support your case?'
Answer : 'Yes'
-Question 4 : 'Please upload a copy of your supporting document(s)'
Answer : 'Files Uploaded - 'image (1).jpg', 'PCN Road Closure X.jpg', 'nhs.online.nhsonline.jpg''
Is there any possibility of winning this PCN? Thank you very much.
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Case number: BZ8183243A
Vehicle registration: WJ05HCF
Contravention: 53J PEDESTRIAN ZONE (CAMERA)
Date and time of contravention: 09/05/2025 15:51
Reason for appeal: 'There was no contravention of an order or failure to comply with an indication on a sign'
Your answers:
-Question 1 : 'Would you like to give us any more information or tell us about mitigating circumstances?'
Answer : 'Yes'
-Question 2 : 'Please explain in as much detail as possible why you think your PCN should be cancelled'
Answer : 'The contravention did not occur due to the council’s failure to comply with statutory traffic signage duties during an official diversion. A closure of Beverley Rd (LBBD Twitter, 30/04/2025) diverted traffic onto St Georges Rd, a pedestrian zone under TRO 2023 (doc 10285). However, the mandatory pedestrian zone signs on this diversion route were not covered, misleading me and sending me onto Westfield Rd and Halbutt St. This breaches the Traffic Signs Manual (Ch. 3, paras 4.6 & 5.2) and TSRGD 2016 (Reg. 18), which require clarity and removal or covering of misleading signs. Enforcement is therefore unlawful (Nottingham v Bus Lane Adjudicator, 2017). My disabled vehicle (Blue Badge [LD4588 0 0205X1026]) was returning from Tulasi Medical after the appointment with the doctor. I request cancellation. If refused, I formally request full disclosure of St Georges Rd and Halbutt St CCTV, signage logs, and Halbutt St TMO under FOIA and common law rights.'
-Question 3 : 'Would you like to upload any other documents to support your case?'
Answer : 'Yes'
-Question 4 : 'Please upload a copy of your supporting document(s)'
Answer : 'Files Uploaded - 'image (1).jpg', 'PCN Road Closure X.jpg', 'nhs.online.nhsonline.jpg''
Is there any possibility of winning this PCN? Thank you very much.
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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN 53j due to road works and diversion
« on: May 29, 2025, 09:58:29 pm »
Hello all, I have taken a bit of help from the tesla man and his AI lol. This is what the AI drafted for me. I was wondering if this is alright. Thank you very much in advance.
I challenge PCN BZ8183243A (vehicle: WJ05HCF), issued 21/05/2025 for a 53J contravention on Halbutt St, Dagenham, on 09/05/2025 at 15:51. The contravention did not occur due to inadequate signage. From Parsloes Ave, I saw a diversion sign on St Georges Rd directing me to Beverley Rd, closed (X post @lbbdcouncil, 30/04/2025). St Georges Rd is a pedestrian zone (TRO 2023, doc 10285), but its pedestrian signs were not covered during the diversion, misleading me to turn onto Westfield Rd, then Halbutt St. The Traffic Signs Manual (Ch. 3) requires covering such signs during diversions, breaching TSRGD 2016 (Regulation 18), invalidating enforcement (Nottingham v Bus Lane Adjudicator, 2017). My disabled vehicle (Blue Badge [Insert Number]) was returning from Tulasi Medical Practice (370 Parsloes Ave, RM9 5QP) after my wife’s ECG results appointment (evidence attached). I request CCTV footage, TMO, and signage log for St Georges Rd.
I challenge PCN BZ8183243A (vehicle: WJ05HCF), issued 21/05/2025 for a 53J contravention on Halbutt St, Dagenham, on 09/05/2025 at 15:51. The contravention did not occur due to inadequate signage. From Parsloes Ave, I saw a diversion sign on St Georges Rd directing me to Beverley Rd, closed (X post @lbbdcouncil, 30/04/2025). St Georges Rd is a pedestrian zone (TRO 2023, doc 10285), but its pedestrian signs were not covered during the diversion, misleading me to turn onto Westfield Rd, then Halbutt St. The Traffic Signs Manual (Ch. 3) requires covering such signs during diversions, breaching TSRGD 2016 (Regulation 18), invalidating enforcement (Nottingham v Bus Lane Adjudicator, 2017). My disabled vehicle (Blue Badge [Insert Number]) was returning from Tulasi Medical Practice (370 Parsloes Ave, RM9 5QP) after my wife’s ECG results appointment (evidence attached). I request CCTV footage, TMO, and signage log for St Georges Rd.
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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN 53j due to road works and diversion
« on: May 24, 2025, 12:03:10 pm »
Hello, Do you guys think that I have a chance of winning this PCN or should I pay it off?
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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN 53j due to road works and diversion
« on: May 22, 2025, 03:33:36 pm »
The pictures shows that the Beverley Road was closed and there was a diversion on to St Georges Road. We took that to go to the doctor as I turned left and didn't really see the sign but on the way back I saw the pedestrian signs with the time( not realizing that it was a diversion and those signs maybe "should have been covered" but I turned right on Westfield road but as I didn't know where I was going I turned left on Halbutt street(no diversion but I got confused) to go on to Oxlow Lane. I never knew that I would get a PCN so no picture of diversion but I was able to search and found lbbd page on X about the road works. Not sure if it helps but the wife is disabled and the car is also registered disabled and we have got the screenshot of Dr appointment for ecg result.
I was wondering if we can challenge this PCN. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you very very much as always.
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I was wondering if we can challenge this PCN. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you very very much as always.
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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / PCN 53j due to road works and diversion
« on: May 22, 2025, 03:24:12 pm »
Hello again,
I have received 53J while there was some diversions in place. I took my wife for a doctor's appointment when we found the diversion. We didn't get the PCN on the way to the doctor but on the way back. I will try and explain more in the next post with the pictures.
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I have received 53J while there was some diversions in place. I took my wife for a doctor's appointment when we found the diversion. We didn't get the PCN on the way to the doctor but on the way back. I will try and explain more in the next post with the pictures.
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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Dagenham, Contravention Code 40 in own Disabled Bay
« on: February 25, 2025, 05:55:07 pm »
First of all, thank you very much for helping us fight this PCN. You don't know how much we appreaciate your help.
mrmustard, Thank you very much for the offer sir. I have taken all the information from this thread and used the AI to make a draft. If you feel that we have missed out on anything or we need to amend the appeal then please let us know.
Dear Sir/Madam,
I am writing to formally challenge the above Penalty Charge Notice (PCN) on the following grounds:
1. Non-Enforceability of the Bay
The disabled bay in question, installed by the council on my application [insert number of years] years ago, is a courtesy bay. It is marked with “DISABLED” on part of the carriageway and footway; however, it lacks a formal Traffic Management Order (TMO) and the legally required upright signage. As a courtesy bay, it holds no legal enforceability. Therefore, the alleged contravention – for not displaying a Blue Badge – did not occur.
2. Legitimate Expectation Based on Long-Standing Practice
For at least the past 10 years, I have parked my vehicle in this bay without displaying my Blue Badge. Throughout this period, the council has never taken any enforcement action against this practice, creating a legitimate expectation that non-display in this location is tolerated. The issuance of this PCN without prior notice or a change in the established local practice is both unfair and inconsistent with past experience.
3. Inadequate Notice of a Change in Enforcement Policy
I always display my Blue Badge in areas where it is required. However, because this bay has historically been treated as a courtesy bay, I have not found it necessary to display the badge here. Had there been an intention to enforce the requirement for visible display in this bay, proper notification should have been provided to residents. It appears that a change in enforcement policy – potentially due to a new CEO or revised local practices – has not been communicated in advance.
4. Erroneous Evidence Submitted by the Enforcement Officer
I note that the enforcement officer has included a photograph in the PCN evidence which shows a “DISABLED” sign. I wish to clarify that this sign is one that I purchased from eBay for the purpose of politely reminding our neighbours that “NO PARKING, disabled resident need this space at all times.” It is not an official council sign and has no legal standing. The inclusion of this image suggests that the officer may lack proper training or understanding of the official signage used by the council. This erroneous evidence further supports my position that the PCN has been issued in error.
Request for Confirmation
In light of the above points, I respectfully request that you:
Confirm that the bay is classified as a courtesy bay and, as such, is not legally enforceable.
Instruct enforcement officers accordingly to reflect this long-established local practice.
Cancel the PCN as it has been issued erroneously.
I appreciate the benefit this bay provides to my family and me and would welcome confirmation as to whether the council has amended its enforcement policy. In the meantime, I shall display my Blue Badge when parking at this location, although I maintain that this PCN is invalid given the circumstances.
Thank you for your prompt attention to this matter. I look forward to receiving your confirmation of cancellation.
Yours faithfully,
What do you guys think?
Once again, thank you very much for your help. <3
mrmustard, Thank you very much for the offer sir. I have taken all the information from this thread and used the AI to make a draft. If you feel that we have missed out on anything or we need to amend the appeal then please let us know.
Dear Sir/Madam,
I am writing to formally challenge the above Penalty Charge Notice (PCN) on the following grounds:
1. Non-Enforceability of the Bay
The disabled bay in question, installed by the council on my application [insert number of years] years ago, is a courtesy bay. It is marked with “DISABLED” on part of the carriageway and footway; however, it lacks a formal Traffic Management Order (TMO) and the legally required upright signage. As a courtesy bay, it holds no legal enforceability. Therefore, the alleged contravention – for not displaying a Blue Badge – did not occur.
2. Legitimate Expectation Based on Long-Standing Practice
For at least the past 10 years, I have parked my vehicle in this bay without displaying my Blue Badge. Throughout this period, the council has never taken any enforcement action against this practice, creating a legitimate expectation that non-display in this location is tolerated. The issuance of this PCN without prior notice or a change in the established local practice is both unfair and inconsistent with past experience.
3. Inadequate Notice of a Change in Enforcement Policy
I always display my Blue Badge in areas where it is required. However, because this bay has historically been treated as a courtesy bay, I have not found it necessary to display the badge here. Had there been an intention to enforce the requirement for visible display in this bay, proper notification should have been provided to residents. It appears that a change in enforcement policy – potentially due to a new CEO or revised local practices – has not been communicated in advance.
4. Erroneous Evidence Submitted by the Enforcement Officer
I note that the enforcement officer has included a photograph in the PCN evidence which shows a “DISABLED” sign. I wish to clarify that this sign is one that I purchased from eBay for the purpose of politely reminding our neighbours that “NO PARKING, disabled resident need this space at all times.” It is not an official council sign and has no legal standing. The inclusion of this image suggests that the officer may lack proper training or understanding of the official signage used by the council. This erroneous evidence further supports my position that the PCN has been issued in error.
Request for Confirmation
In light of the above points, I respectfully request that you:
Confirm that the bay is classified as a courtesy bay and, as such, is not legally enforceable.
Instruct enforcement officers accordingly to reflect this long-established local practice.
Cancel the PCN as it has been issued erroneously.
I appreciate the benefit this bay provides to my family and me and would welcome confirmation as to whether the council has amended its enforcement policy. In the meantime, I shall display my Blue Badge when parking at this location, although I maintain that this PCN is invalid given the circumstances.
Thank you for your prompt attention to this matter. I look forward to receiving your confirmation of cancellation.
Yours faithfully,
What do you guys think?
Once again, thank you very much for your help. <3
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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Dagenham, Contravention Code 40 in own Disabled Bay
« on: February 24, 2025, 02:34:02 pm »
Thank you very much for your advice.
The first 2 pictures that shows the no parking sign was put on the fence by us as some of the naighbours kept on parking their cars in our spot.
stamfordman.
My neigbour 2 doors down actually knocked on our door to tell me about us receiving this pcn. Apparently they had the same problem with disabled bay and received a pcn.
H C Andersen
Nice to see you alive and kicking <3
Yes sir, this is the car that I have been parking in this spot for more than 6 years.
"2. In any event, the bay is not enforceable because it's not underpinned by a traffic order restriction and even if it is it's not marked and signed as required by law."
Does this mean that our disabled bay is classed as courtesy bay and cannot be enforced by the council?
Thank you very much for your help.
The first 2 pictures that shows the no parking sign was put on the fence by us as some of the naighbours kept on parking their cars in our spot.
stamfordman.
My neigbour 2 doors down actually knocked on our door to tell me about us receiving this pcn. Apparently they had the same problem with disabled bay and received a pcn.
H C Andersen
Nice to see you alive and kicking <3
Yes sir, this is the car that I have been parking in this spot for more than 6 years.
"2. In any event, the bay is not enforceable because it's not underpinned by a traffic order restriction and even if it is it's not marked and signed as required by law."
Does this mean that our disabled bay is classed as courtesy bay and cannot be enforced by the council?
Thank you very much for your help.
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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Dagenham, Contravention Code 40 in own Disabled Bay
« on: February 24, 2025, 09:52:58 am »
Hello everyone,
My wife is disabled and has a blue badge. Our son is autistic and we alos have a blue badge for him as well. We asked the barking and dagenham council around 10 years back for a disabled bay outside our house and have been parking in there for more than 10 years now without displaying the blue badge. On the 22nd of February, we received a PCN for contravention code 40. I have tried searching for the email where we asked the lbbd council for disabled bay but can't seem to find it but the blue badges were delivered to our address and the car is registered disabled on our address.
I was wondering if you could help us fight this pcn, I'd be most grateful for any guidance on how to challenge the PCN.
Thank you.
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My wife is disabled and has a blue badge. Our son is autistic and we alos have a blue badge for him as well. We asked the barking and dagenham council around 10 years back for a disabled bay outside our house and have been parking in there for more than 10 years now without displaying the blue badge. On the 22nd of February, we received a PCN for contravention code 40. I have tried searching for the email where we asked the lbbd council for disabled bay but can't seem to find it but the blue badges were delivered to our address and the car is registered disabled on our address.
I was wondering if you could help us fight this pcn, I'd be most grateful for any guidance on how to challenge the PCN.
Thank you.
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