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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Islington PCN 01 Parking in a restricted street - St John's Way on single yellow line with no conventional sign
« on: February 22, 2025, 12:33:06 am »
Will do. Thank you for your reply, it's much appreciated.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Islington PCN 01 Parking in a restricted street - St John's Way on single yellow line with no conventional sign
« on: February 21, 2025, 10:11:36 pm »
Thank you so much for taking the time to reply. I entered that parking zone travelling along St John's Way in a roughly Westerly direction, heading towards Archway corner.

I would have passed these signs that Incandescent has very kindly linked to below:
https://maps.app.goo.gl/9hrc9D4Y22yEvmWCA

Do you think I have any grounds for further appeal because of the misleading sign on the other side of the road? I'm guessing not!

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Islington PCN 01 Parking in a restricted street - St John's Way on single yellow line with no conventional sign
« on: February 21, 2025, 01:55:29 am »
Oops, yes I had written the wrong borough in my subject heading and have now corrected it.

Because there was a sign on the opposite side of the road which listed a Monday to Friday restriction, I had simply assumed that it also applied to my side of the road - in my experience, every yellow line I've encountered usually has a sign next to it or very nearby, so I think I thought that the sign on my side was just missing for some reason. It didn't occur to me that instead there was a controlled parking zone in operation with different hours to the sign on the opposite side, and as mentioned, at the time I had no knowledge of the signs at the entrance to the CPZ.

I'm a Londoner and have been driving and parking in London for over 30 years, but I honestly didn't see the signs coming into the zone. Might be something to do with the fact that I was driving with my 5 and 8 year old in the back, who were undoubtedly fighting with each other at the time (and stressing me out).

But also, I'm very aware of those type of signs marking the entrance to residential parking zones, but have never really noticed them in relation to anything else i.e. yellow lines on main roads.

I'm slightly surprised that it's not a requirement for every yellow line to have its own sign (or for there to be one close by), but if that's the case, then I guess I don't have any grounds to get the PCN cancelled.

Thank you for your reply and your detailed thoughts about my predicament.
And I'm very sorry to hear about your severe sciatica. I've had sciatica a few times - the worst was when I had it quite badly and it lasted for about 7 months, so I completely sympathise.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Haringey PCN 01 Parking in a restricted street - St John's Way on single yellow line with no conventional sign
« on: February 21, 2025, 12:38:34 am »
Thank you for replying.

My challenge was similar to what I have written above, namely this:

"I was given a ticket for apparently parking in a restricted street during prescribed hours, however there is no signage stating this.

The side of the road where I parked has a yellow line, and there is no corresponding sign indicating the hours of this yellow line (please see attached photo entitled "no signage"). In fact before leaving my car there, I walked the whole length of that section of St. John's Way, including the next block along, and found no sign at all.

So to determine the parking restrictions, I looked to the nearest sign, which was just opposite, on the other side of the road.

This sign says there is restricted parking between 7am and 7pm Monday to Friday (please see attached photo entitled "nearest signage").

I assumed, as anyone would do, that this sign must apply to where I was parking, given this was the closest sign and in fact the only one in the near vicinity. NB this sign is not facing the right way, which is not helpful when people are driving along and need to see what the restrictions are.

As I parked on a Saturday morning and not between the restricted hours, I have therefore not parked unlawfully (I would never knowingly do so, as I cannot afford to pay expensive parking tickets).

I would be grateful if you would cancel this PCN as soon as possible."

And their response was this:

"We have considered the challenge you submitted and have found no grounds for
cancellation of the penalty charge.

The PCN was issued as your vehicle was parked in a restricted street during prescribed
hours.

Upon careful examination of the Civil Enforcement Officer's (CEO) notes, we can confirm
that the PCN was issued because the vehicle was parked in a controlled parking zone (CPZ)
without displaying a valid disabled badge or permit.

Controlled Parking Zones (CPZ) are areas where parking is restricted during certain hours,
typically indicated by signage. We understand your concern regarding the lack of signage on
the side of the road where you parked. However, the restricted area where your vehicle was
parked has clear regulations. According to the CEO notes, the CPZ on Papa Street, St.
John's Way, is in effect from 8:30 AM to 1:30 PM on Saturdays. This was the applicable time
at the moment the ticket was issued.

While you referenced the nearest sign on the opposite side of the road, this is not the
relevant signage for your parking location, as CPZ regulations are often specific to particular
sections of the street. Parking restrictions for each zone are governed by the signs closest to
where vehicles are parked, and in this case, the relevant restrictions apply directly to the
location where your vehicle was parked, not the sign on the opposite side.

It is important to note that controlled parking zones work by indicating the times and days
when parking is restricted. Signs are placed to ensure that drivers can easily understand
where and when restrictions apply. In this instance, the restricted hours for your parking area
were clearly indicated on nearby signs for the CPZ, and you were parked within those hours
without the necessary permit.

Considering the evidence available we are satisfied the contravention occurred and the PCN
was correctly issued. We are therefore upholding the PCN."

No idea where or what Papa Street is?
I did enter the CPZ via St John's Way, round the bend/curved bit of the road (I was travelling roughly Westwards towards Archway) but I honestly didn't see the signs.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Islington PCN 01 Parking in a restricted street - St John's Way on single yellow line with no conventional sign
« on: February 20, 2025, 10:50:46 pm »
Hi, am wondering if anyone can help.

I parked at this location on a Saturday morning a few weeks ago:
https://maps.app.goo.gl/PARQS5mHycb5quZZA
(basically next to the red post box in case it's not clear where I was)

I was apparently in a restricted street, however I did not realise this at the time. I now know that there are signs at the entrance to the restricted zone, however I have never noticed them and they are a little way away and round the corner from where I actually parked.

There is no signage on the side of the road that I parked on (please see photo entitled "no signage"). In fact before leaving my car there, I walked the whole length of that section of St. John's Way, including the next block along (towards Archway corner), and found no sign at all.

The nearest sign, on the opposite side of the road says there is restricted parking between 7am and 7pm Monday to Friday (please see photo entitled "nearest signage"), so I assumed that this sign must apply to where I was parking, given this was the closest sign and in fact the only one in the near vicinity. NB this sign is not facing the right way, which is not helpful when people are driving along and need to see what the restrictions are.

I have parked in this location on a Saturday morning on a number of occasions previously and never been ticketed. On the date I got the ticket, there was another car also parked in front of me, so I assume they were also unaware of the restrictions.

I appealed the ticket on the above grounds and that I did not know I was in a restricted zone, but it was rejected on the basis that there were signs at the entrance to the zone. As mentioned I did not see these signs.

Can anyone please help? There is also a photo of the PCN front at the link below (apologies I am having trouble embedding the images in this post)

I'm extremely careful to park lawfully at all times as I can't afford to pay for tickets! So getting one and and having to pay £65 for making an honest mistake is particularly galling.

https://imgur.com/a/mersKxZ

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