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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Medway, code 53J restriction on vehicles entering a pedestrian zone, Notice of rejection of representation
« on: March 21, 2025, 09:45:38 pm »
Well, as expected, I received a rejection of representation from Medway Council.

No comment about the poor visibility of the warning signal when turning left onto the road, and they admit the information about the school streets scheme is on their website, though they don't comment on the fact that the info is partially incorrect (maps shows 2 signs, in reality there is only one).

Feels like they didn't really read my response.
Any way, think I have any chance on the tribunal or should I just pay it?


See previous post here: 53J - restriction on vehicles entering a pedestrian zone - Medway council

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Medway, code 53J restriction on vehicles entering a pedestrian zone, Richmond road, school streets scheme
« on: February 26, 2025, 10:30:02 pm »
Quote from: Hippocrates on February 15, 2025, 11:09:38 am
Deemed date of service: third working day? Que?

I assume they mean I have 28 days to pay after the PCN has been "served" (3 working days after the date on the letter) unless I can prove I didn't receive it in time; but how do you prove a negative!?

Anyway, any ideas? My draft representations are as follows:


Dear Council

I make this formal representation against PCN            :

The contravention did not occur as you have failed to carry out your responsibilities under LATOR Regulation 18 to erect adequate the signage to convey restrictions in a Traffic Regulation Order as:

1. The warning sign is not clearly visible when turning left from Saunders street into Richmond Road;

2.The restricted zone sign on Richmond Road is only present on the right hand side of the street when driving northbound and at very high level, despite all other sign on this road being either on both sides of the road or only on the side of ongoing traffic(left side), including the two signs when entering the restricted area while traveling southbound;

3. The signage for the restriction also directly contradicts the councils plan for the scheme where it it shows this area as having two signs, one on each side of the road, when entering southbound and northbound.

In light of the above, please cancel the said PCN.

Yours faithfully

Reg. keeper

Address



Also different dates for the 50% discount on the website? they say 14 days but my letter says 21 days, and they when following the links to appeal they again ask for payment with a smaller link at the bottom to continue o to the appeal page.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Medway, code 53J restriction on vehicles entering a pedestrian zone, Richmond road, school streets scheme
« on: February 14, 2025, 06:48:11 pm »
Hi, I managed to go back and get some more pictures, including the a clear image of the restricted area sign (because it was earlier in the day and sunny it looks like there is light shinning on it, which doesn't help...).

I also checked on google maps and at the other end of the road, coming from the opposite direction, there are 2 signs as indicated in the councils original plan.

google maps

more images

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Medway, code 53J restriction on vehicles entering a pedestrian zone, Richmond road, school streets scheme
« on: February 10, 2025, 01:11:06 pm »
No reason, I don't have children or even live nearby, I genuinely didn't see the "Flying motorbike" sign and I was in an unfamiliar area for a meeting (the GPS made do it >:( ).


I think you are right on the advanced sign visibility and the impossibility of turning around without incurring another PCN for driving on to a no entry road. I think even if I had seen the sign I wouldn't have been able to turn around properly.


Do you happen to have any legalese on the wording to appeal the PCN?




I also found this information on the medway website and I think they were planning to have 2 signs, one on each side of the road but only put up one?




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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Medway, code 53J restriction on vehicles entering a pedestrian zone, Richmond road, school streets scheme
« on: February 10, 2025, 10:59:25 am »
Good morning everyone, I received a PCN from Medway for driving on a pedestrian zone (new school streets scheme) during the designated hours.

On Thursday, the 29th, I was traveling down Saunders street and made a left turn into Richmond road, Gillingham, further down Richmond road there is a school zone restriction in place during school drop off times.
My only warning sign prior to the restriction area was behind the give way sign on Saunders street/Richmond road intersection, after this the sign where the zone starts is on the right side of the road on the two way street just after the intersection with another road with a no entry sign.
I entered the restricted area at 15h41 and the restriction was in place until 15h45.

Can I appeal this based on poor signage (warning hidden behind give way sign at junction, restricted area sign on right side of road only), no way to avoid restricted zone unless turning back ( no entry sign on chatsworth road) or clock malfuction /being close to end of restriction times?

I know these might be a stretch but I don't drive around this area and didn't see the sign, the school street scheme is fairly recent as well and the signs could probably be made more visible with flashing amber lights during restriction hours like the school signs.

Any help is appreciated.





PCN
PCN1
PCN2
PCN3
PCN4

Evidence
EV 1
EV 2
EV 3
EV 4

Left turn onto richmond road
Left turn richmond road

Richmond road where pedestrian zone starts
richmond road
richmond road 2

GSV Links (the street view is outdated, new signs went up in 2024)
google maps left turn
google maps richmond road

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