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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN 52M North Worple Way
« on: April 06, 2025, 04:30:14 pm »
Hi, so I finally got a reply from the council. It is somewhat frustrating although it does appear they have spent quite a bit of time with the reply. What should be the process now? Take it to the adjudicator or pay the £65? Many thanks.









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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN 52M North Worple Way
« on: March 31, 2025, 07:30:48 pm »
Hello, so I noticed a few days ago that the "Discount expiry date" on the website updated to 12/04/25 but I haven't got anything in the post yet. Does this mean they rejected my challenge?



Luckily I saved a screenshot of the original discount date which Hippocrates said was wrong and could be challenged on.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN 52M North Worple Way
« on: February 27, 2025, 12:20:07 am »
ok will sit tight, thanks!

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN 52M North Worple Way
« on: February 26, 2025, 02:37:45 pm »
So I haven't heard anything back from them yet.

The notice date was 30/01
I submitted the online form on 11/02 and got an email confirmation and reference number. The email also says, "Your case will be placed on hold until you hear from us".

The original letter says the £130 charge should be paid within 28 days but also to not pay if making representation.

Lastly, in the letter on page 3 it says in bold, "Representations must always be made in writing" and doesn't mention the online form (which was different to the paper form)

Do I need to be worried or do anything? Today is the 27th day since the notice.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN 52M North Worple Way
« on: February 11, 2025, 12:32:45 pm »
Ok have challenged. Thanks very much for the help. Fingers crossed now.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN 52M North Worple Way
« on: February 10, 2025, 08:51:13 pm »
actually I notice that the two restriction signs on either side of the road are also slightly different...

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN 52M North Worple Way
« on: February 10, 2025, 08:48:54 pm »
Ah ok thanks will just keep simple then. When you say plurality, did you mean the conflicting signs with the red 'except local busses' sign on the right?

There probably was an advanced warning sign but I obviously missed it...

So can I go with:
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I would also like to contest this PCN on the grounds of:
1) The road is a trap with no advanced warnings in place
2) There is inadequate signage of the restriction itself
3) The restriction signs on both sides of the road are different.
4) There are multiple conflicting signs as well as the red "Except local buses" no entry sign on the right.

I therefore ask that you cancel this PCN on this occasion. Thank you.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN 52M North Worple Way
« on: February 10, 2025, 06:35:57 pm »
Hiya Hippocrates, was wondering if you had any further ideas?

I was also wondering, aren't the councils obliged to give you a second chance for these types of restrictions?

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN 52M North Worple Way
« on: February 08, 2025, 11:24:39 pm »
ok thank you so much! I won't mention the points like you suggest.

Well I probably travelled around 200 odd yards down the road. I never noticed the supposed advanced warning sign 120 yards away.

The no entry sign on the right doesn't bother me as it's a mini bus stop (which I never even noticed). But looking at those two big yellow permission restricted signs on either side of the road, I never even noticed them at all. I can only assume I must have been focusing on the pedestrian crossing the road and the speed bump.

Plus also unlikely I would have noticed these signs given I've driven down this road so many times.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN 52M North Worple Way
« on: February 08, 2025, 10:23:51 pm »
Ah thanks! I didn't realise that you guys went online to look the PCN up which is why you needed the details. Appreciate it!

On 2), sorry for doing piecemeal, I've uploaded all the other pages. Page 3 has the grounds. Or do you mean the online form doesn't have the grounds? It's very confusing as the online form is completely different to the form in the letter and only has a simple textbox. So I thought "contest" and "make representation" were two different things and contest online was the informal one.

Do I need to mention 3) and if so how?

Can I go with something like this?

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I have been driving on this road for many years but unfortunately was not aware of the recent implementation of restrictions.

Furthermore, I would also like to contest this PCN on the grounds of:
1) The Discount Expiry Date of 14/02/2025 is incorrect.
2) The Representation form online has no grounds. There is only a textbox.
3) The road seems like a trap and the signage is unclear.

I therefore ask that you cancel this PCN on this occasion. Thank you.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN 52M North Worple Way
« on: February 08, 2025, 09:16:54 pm »
OK I've updated the images now. Hope that's ok? Thanks in advance.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN 52M North Worple Way
« on: February 08, 2025, 07:50:53 pm »
Do you mean the PCN number and number plate that I blacked out? I used to blank these out on Pepipoo but I noticed the sticky mentioned so I wasn't sure. Can I please ask why do you need these? Just curious. Shall I repost the pictures or just type them out?

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / PCN 52M North Worple Way
« on: February 08, 2025, 05:06:44 pm »
Hi, I recently received this PCN. This is a side road parallel to Mortlake High Street that many people use when it gets congested. I  have been using this road for many years now without issue.

Apparently Richmond council put in place restrictions in September to stop people doing just that:
https://www.richmond.gov.uk/services/roads_and_transport/transport_planning_schemes/transport_schemes/north_worple_way_traffic_reduction_scheme

As I know the roads well, I didn't notice any signs at all of this restriction and went straight through so here we are.

There are no signs on google maps as presumably the images haven't been updated yet. View here.

I think the sign is the one right next to the bridge. Map of the signs here. I came down Second Avenue so would only have had one advanced warning sign 120 yards away.

I had a similar thing in Fulham where I wasn't aware of the street restrictions and got a PCN. I asked them nicely to give me a chance which they did. Should I do the same thing here? It's a bit unfair to suddenly put restrictions up and then give people tickets.

Any help appreciated.

Pics below.






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