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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Birmingham CAZ PCN - U-turn mistake, appeal advice needed
« on: February 08, 2025, 01:42:26 pm »
So, Best option for me here is to wait untill 13th day and If no response came from Council(as it's likely).
I'll simply pay the Discounted fine and get rid of issue. Otherwise, it's gonna be long wait and argument with Council and Tribunal and in the end if they Reject my appeal. Still need to pay double fine.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Birmingham CAZ PCN - U-turn mistake, appeal advice needed
« on: February 07, 2025, 06:29:12 pm »
I accidentally took the wrong exit and turned into Frank Street, by mistake. Realizing it's  CAZ , I didn’t drive further into the zone. Instead, I immediately made a U-turn at the triangular island and rejoined my original route.
Do you think this is a strong argument to appeal on a de minimis basis?

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Birmingham CAZ PCN - U-turn mistake, appeal advice needed
« on: February 07, 2025, 07:52:37 am »
Thanks for the clarification! Since I never actually entered the CAZ, this should be a strong case for the Tribunal. Have there been similar cases where people won? Also, do I need to request any additional evidence from the council, like video footage, to strengthen my argument? I have submitted representation what else I can do on my behalf.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Birmingham CAZ PCN - U-turn mistake, appeal advice needed
« on: February 06, 2025, 10:33:41 pm »
I think the case is bit complex. So I have no choice rather to pay them fine before the discount period is over. Otherwise it's gonna affect my credit history.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Birmingham CAZ PCN - U-turn mistake, appeal advice needed
« on: February 06, 2025, 12:55:26 pm »
Thanks for explaining! Since I didn’t pass the sign on the left and the right-side sign isn’t visible when turning, does this mean the PCN was wrongly issued? If the council rejects my appeal, would this argument be strong enough to win at the Tribunal? Also, is there any other evidence I should collect to strengthen my case?

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Birmingham CAZ PCN - U-turn mistake, appeal advice needed
« on: February 06, 2025, 11:30:35 am »
I've submitted the representation Online to Birmingham council. I will wait until 13th day for their response. Otherwise, I'll accept the fate and Pay them 60£. I'll be more careful next time. What do u think?

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Birmingham CAZ PCN - U-turn mistake, appeal advice needed
« on: February 06, 2025, 09:40:18 am »
Thank you for your detailed response! I really appreciate it. I made a U-turn at Frank Street, Triangular Island which I believe was before entering the actual CAZ. If that’s correct, does this mean there was no contravention at all? Also, since the signs were not lit at night, does that strengthen my appeal?"
(I accidentally turned into frank street and suddenly I realised That CAZ I made U turn and turn exited the same way without driving further or stopping anywhere.)

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Birmingham CAZ PCN - U-turn mistake, appeal advice needed
« on: February 05, 2025, 06:41:48 pm »
Quote from: stamfordman on February 05, 2025, 05:09:37 pm
Birmingham doesn't offer the discount on rejection so you need to think carefully about challenging this.

Are you from out of town - what was the purpose of journey?


Hi
I was just passing through and I'm not from Birmingham. I didn't realize I had entered the CAZ and made a U-turn immediately to exit. I didn't drive further into the zone. Given that it was an honest mistake, do you think I have a strong case for appeal?" Or
Shal I just accept the fate and Pay PCN.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Birmingham CAZ PCN - U-turn mistake, appeal advice needed
« on: February 05, 2025, 04:36:31 pm »
Hi everyone,

I recently received a Clean Air Zone (CAZ) PCN from Birmingham City Council, and I need advice on whether I can appeal.

PCN Number: KW34911563

Date of Offence: 12/01/2025

Location: Frank Street, Birmingham

Vehicle: Peugeot KU58 ZTG


What Happened:

I accidentally turned into Frank Street, but I immediately made a U-turn at the roundabout and exited the same way. I did not continue deeper into the CAZ, yet I still received a fine.

My Evidence:

Google Timeline Screenshot showing my U-turn at the roundabout.

I did not stop, park, or drive further into the CAZ.


My Questions:

1. Does my situation qualify for an appeal?


2. Does my PCN have any legal errors that could help me challenge it?


3. Should I argue for leniency, or do I have a strong case for cancellation?



I've already asked on Reddit, and they suggested I check with FTLA for potential errors in the PCN. Any guidance would be greatly appreciated.

Thankyou

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