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Dear Sir/Madam                                                                                                                03/02/2025                                               

I have received your Parking Charge Notice Ref: 28435069507  for vehicle registration mark  S33 ALF in which you allege that the driver has incurred a parking charge. I note from your correspondence that you are not seeking to hold me liable as the registered keeper, under Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 ("The Act"). You have failed to issue a Notice to Keeper in accordance with The Act, and it is now too late for you to do so.

There is no obligation for me to name the driver and I will not be doing so. I am therefore unable to help you further with this matter, and look forward to your confirmation that the charge has been cancelled. If you choose to decline this appeal, you must issue a POPLA code.

Yours,

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How does this look regarding my appeal? I have not yet submitted it yet as I need approval from you guys first.


Dear Sir / Madam                                                                        02/02/2025                             
I am writing to you in response to PCN 283435069507

 You have failed to comply with the requirements of Schedule 4 of The Protection Of Freedoms Act 2012 namely, but not limited to, failing to deliver the notice within the relevant period of 14 days as prescribed by section 9 (4) of the Act. You cannot, therefore, transfer liability for the alleged charge from the driver at the time to me, the keeper.

There is no legal requirement to name the driver at the time and I will not be doing so.

Any further communication with me on this matter, apart from confirmation of no further action and my details being removed from your records, will be considered vexatious and harassment. This includes communication from any Debt Collection companies you care to instruct.

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Dear Sir / Madam                                                                         02/02/2025                             
I am writing to you in response to PCN 283435069507

 You have failed to comply with the requirements of Schedule 4 of The Protection Of Freedoms Act 2012 namely, but not limited to, failing to deliver the notice within the relevant period of 14 days as prescribed by section 9 (4) of the Act. You cannot, therefore, transfer liability for the alleged charge from the driver at the time to me, the keeper.

There is no legal requirement to name the driver at the time and I will not be doing so.

Any further communication with me on this matter, apart from confirmation of no further action and my details being removed from your records, will be considered vexatious and harassment. This includes communication from any Debt Collection companies you care to instruct.

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Understand that as long as the unknown (to CEL) driver is not identified, you, the known Keeper cannot be liable for the charge. The driver and the Keeper are separate legal entities and there is no legal obligation on the Keeper to identify the driver to an unregulated private parking company.

As the known Keeper, you must always refer to the unknown driver in the third person. No "I did this or that". Only "The driver did this or that". Don't tell 'em your name Pike!
Thank you

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If you are the registered keeper, then the appeal I suggested above is suitable.
Thank you

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Welcome to FTLA.

Can you please show us the back of the notice?

As issues at their end mean they have not delivered the notice to you as the registered keeper within 14 days, they can only pursue the driver - they don't know who that is (unless you tell them), so, as the keeper only, you can appeal along the lines of the below (NB - if you are not the registered keeper, if it's a lease/hire vehicle for example, then let us know as the appeal will be different):

Dear Sirs,

I have received your Parking Charge Notice (Ref: ________) for vehicle registration mark ____ ___, in which you allege that the driver has incurred a parking charge. I note from your correspondence that you are not seeking to hold me liable as the registered keeper, under Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 ("The Act"). You have failed to issue a Notice to Keeper in accordance with The Act, and it is now too late for you to do so.

There is no obligation for me to name the driver and I will not be doing so. I am therefore unable to help you further with this matter, and look forward to your confirmation that the charge has been cancelled. If you choose to decline this appeal, you must issue a POPLA code.

Yours,

If appealing online, be careful there are no drop down/tick boxes that cause you to identify who was driving, and keep a close eye on your spam folder for their response. If they do not respond within 28 days, chase them.
I have posted the back of the PCN.

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Hello
Thank you for your replies as you have all been very helpful and with your help I am hoping to resolve this issue.
Alf

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I went for a meal at the Aagrah restaurant 108 Barnsley Road, Wakefield, WF1 5NX on 25th December 2024. It does say on the signs on the wall that you must register your car in the restaurant. I went in and had my meal and asked the staff if I can register my car and they told me it was not required which I am now upset as I received a PCN on 20/01/2025 I have my credit card statement with the time and date showing that I was actually in the restaurant at the time. I am led to believe that they have to issue you with the PCN within 14 days is this correct? The letter that they sent makes me think that this is correct as the letter states " We are writing to you in relation to the above parking charge. We have very recently identified that the notice informing you of this PCN may not have reached you due to an issue with our postal service provider we have therefore reissued the PCN to you with an updated issue date " The updated issue date is the date of the letter 20/01/2025.

Can anybody shed any light on this matter in relation to if the ticket has timed out because it was not issued within 14 days and if I am liable to pay the ticket because I was actually in the restaurant at the time of the ticket.

Thanks in anticipation

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