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Thank you Hippocrates! I'm PM you back.

Hi all,

Thanks for your help on the witness statement. I submitted that successfully and it's gone back to the rejection of my representations stage. Photos of the letter from the council below.

Looking at their initial rejection, they've made points about the signage of the restriction but nothing on the incorrect dates on the council portal. I assume it's a pretty templated response.

Given they're not offering the reduced rate on the fine any more I think there's nothing to be lost by going to tribunal. And it sounds like from your previous case with the same council Hippocrates there's a reasonable chance I'll be successful.

Any advice on what to include in the paperwork? Just the same explanation I gave for my initial representations? Any other advice on how best to approach this?

Thank you again for your continued support!

Hi team. I didn't hear anything back from Lambeth but just received this in the post:



They said they'd come back to my challenge within 28 days but that passed long ago so perhaps they issued a rejection that never reached me and then when they didn't receive a reply they sent this? Alternatively they just messed up and issued this incorrectly.

Any suggestions on how to proceed? Obviously I want to flag that they seem to have just ignored my challenge. Do I take this up with Lambeth themselves or escalate elsewhere?

Thank you in advance!

EDIT - realised I could check on the online portal. It says that they replied to my challenge on the 18th March, so I assume they think they sent me a rejection then and that I never replied to it. But I haven't received anything in the post before this letter and nothing by email either. I have an email receipt of my challenge and nothing after that.

Thank you both! This is fantastic.

Ok to attach the photos of the signs or lack of too? I assume that's useful to support the argument.

That's fantastic, thank you Hippocrates! If you hadn't pointed it could I could well have read the website and thought I had until 16th Feb to pay £65 when by my reckoning the fee would actually have increased to £195 by that point.

If you have some wording to include that would be great.

How does this sound for challenge on signage?


I challenge the notice on the grounds of inadequate signage as to the restriction concerned.

There are two entrances to the restricted area on Telferscot Road, one from Emmanuel Road and one from Burnbury Road. Both involve turning off a main road onto Telferscot Road which is the minor road. If entering from Emmanuel Road there are two signs, back to back, placed perpendicular to both directions of travel on that main road which outline the restriction. This makes the restriction clear before turning onto the road.

Identical perpendicular signs are also in place for the same restriction on nearby Scholars Road.

However when entering from Burnbury Road, as my car did, no such sign exists. The only signs in place are parallel to the direction of travel, making them hard to see until you've already entered the restriction.

The placing of these signs perpendicular to the direction of travel at one end of the restriction shows that the Council believes they are required to secure "adequate information as to the effect of the order is made available to persons using the road" (The Local Authorities’ Traffic Orders Regs 1996, Section 18, Para (1)(a)). Therefore by omitting such signage from the Burnbury Road entrance the Council has failed in this duty.

The Council should therefore dismiss the notice.

Hi everyone. Firstly thanks for the time everyone puts into this forum! I've used it previously to gather advice based on others' cases and successfully challenged an unfair PCN. This one I'm less sure about, but having read several similar but not identical 53J cases on here I'm interested in opinions about my case.

The council PCN states that on On 15/01/25 I drove down Telferscot Road SW12 0HW at 09:06, contravening a no entry restriction that's in place from 08:15-09:15 (I believe due to a school on the road). Location: https://maps.app.goo.gl/oyLoSydoNqfYgRni6

The council sent a PCN notice dated 20/01/25:



The Council evidence is CCTV footage which shows my car entering the road and passing the signs.

I had a look at the online legal docs outlining the restriction and it all looks correct to my layman eye. The order is a written doc with a supporting map. There's an online portal to view traffic restrictions which is actually pretty good, kudos to the council: https://streets.appyway.com/lambeth

The reason I'm thinking about challenging the PCN is because of signage. When approaching the road, the signs showing the restriction are parallel to the road you travel on before turning into that road, making them harder to spot:



If you enter from the bottom of the road, off Emmanuel Road, they've helpfully put signs that are perpendicular to the direction of travel which are more visible:



They also have the same signs, perpendicular to the direction of travel, on nearby Scholars Road which has the same restrictions.

However where my car entered the top of the road, from Burnbury Road no equivalent sign is in place. This is where the sign would be, on the post with the CCTV camera on it:



I'd welcome thoughts on whether you think there's reasonable grounds to challenge here, or if it's unlikely to be successful. Thank you in advance!