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Fair point regarding "technical points".  I meant (but didnt articulate) that when I said that I was thinking of the technical points relating to the process of the claim itself, i.e. defective PoC, attempting to cure by WS, etc.

I agree with you on the PoC.  The deficiencies are identical to Chan and Akande and I was surprised that he just cut straight through that argument and dismissed it.

Thanks again and all the best.

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Case dismissed, many thanks once again for the help, especially @b789.

£111 costs awarded (£95 for the time off work plus small amounts for parking and mileage, less than a tenner each).  He did not award the litigant-in-person time as he did not feel the parking company were unfair in bringing the claim and also didnt find that they had abused the process or broken rules.

The judge was pleasant and in my opinion was looking for a valid reason to dismiss it.  Luckily, he found one.   I also think the fact I showed up and the other side didn't probably looked good and set a decent impression from the start.  I think he also appreciated the concise and clearly set out arguments, big thanks to @b789 for those.

The judge picked out the point in my witness statement about the "period of parking" needing a clearly stated beginning and end time, therefore not PoFA compliant.  In other words, the judge effectively upheld my appeal that was bounced out of the kangaroo court that is the IAS.

Some important points to note.  I asked the judge, after he had made his judgement, if he felt there was merit in the defective PoC argument, and he said he wouldn't have been inclined to strike out the claim on the basis given in my Defence + WS, given that there is a character limit on the PoC box on the MCOL form and the fact I clearly understood what the case was because I had been able to appeal in a very lucid manner to the IAS.  I was a little surprised by this as the explanation he gave disagreed directly with the findings in Chan and Akande.  I wasn't going to start arguing this as I had already won ;D

He also said that he was not inclined to throw out the WS on grounds of no LSA 2007 authority/exemption.  He said that it was acceptable for such people to write witness statements etc as long as they are not the ones signing of the actual claims forms etc.  He did acknowledge however that he would take into consideration the "weighting" of the evidence, i.e. the fact that the person writing their witness statement was not "there" whereas I was, and the fact that I bothered to turn up and could questioned further on my evidence whereas they did not turn up to the hearing.

I'm glad that I didn't just rely on technical and abuse of process points because, in the end, despite there being multiple technical arguments made,  I won this case based on good old fashioned failure of the parking company to comply with PoFA when they compiled the NTK.

He also said that they see a lot of parking claims come through their court and the parking companies win a lot of them (he didn't say "most", he said "a lot").  I'm not sure what the reasons for that are, it might be that a lot of the ones that lose are winnable but are poorly argued, or it might be that a lot of them are not winnable.  I wouldn't like to speculate but I would urge people who intend to appeal and perhaps fight a private parking claim to post the details on this forum ASAP and get advice on what your winning points may be BEFORE the discount period elapses.  At least that way, if you are not convinced yours is a winner or decide you don't have the stomach to take this all the way to court and perhaps lose £250, then at least you can pay the discounted £40-60 rather than the inflated £70-100.  I have fought 80% of my parking tickets using advice from these forums and have not lost one yet, but I have paid 20% of them (2 private, 1 council) because I either didn't have the mental and nervous capacity for a fight at that time (due to life events) or, in the case of the council one, because it would have been hard to win.  Pick your battles but equally don't be afraid to fight back and you don't have to accept being bullied by these vultures.

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Use the “conduct of litigation” point to (1) demand clarity now, (2) challenge any unauthorised advocate on the day, and (3) support 27.14(2)(g) costs for unreasonable conduct.

B) Email to Gladstones now (copy/paste and fill brackets)

I was not monitoring over the weekend.  I have done this this morning, by changing it to demand clarity by 4pm tomorrow, which is the day before the hearing.  Bearing in mind they have just entered a skeleton argument today.

Do I need a transcript of Mazur & Anor v Charles Russell Speechlys LLP [2025] EWHC 2341 with me on the day and are you able to point out the specific section(s) of it that I need to highlight for the court?

Any further thoughts in light of the below, which the Claimant has just served this morning?  One thing to note is that they say I am inconsistent because I denied being the driver but have given an account of events.  Neither of those things are true, I've never denied being the driver, just never admitted it, and I have not given an account of events I have merely pointed out that there is not a valid claim.
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/szlnxmz6zrest4tasovex/Claimant-Skeleton-Argument.pdf?rlkey=dji0vfn5tw4v3e3kz2njg8ke5&st=wbfpu3yw&dl=0

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What makes it work on the day is the top-line threshold point first: “No pleaded cause of action (CPR 16.4(1)(a)) → nothing to answer → strike-out/dismiss.”

Confined to pleadings: “WS cannot amend/cure PoC; ambush material (e.g. alleged breach details) must be ignored”.

Non-attendance & hearsay: “Lawyer-authored hearsay from a non-attending paralegal → very little weight”.

Looks like this going to court, unless there is a very late discontinuance, which I can't see happening as I imagine the claimant will just leave it now to see if I **** up by failing to turn up to court or if indeed just take a chance on the judge ruling in their favour.

So I wonder if anyone has any tips on how I need to argue this in court if the judge wants to probe it a bit.  Obviously I wont lie, if they ask if I parked it there I'll say yes I did and due to unclear signage I didn't know I was on such a time limit but now i do know I won't park there again.

What if the judge decides they do want to dig into the claimant's witness statement and starts firing questions at me?

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Bailii website.

Excellent resource, thanks.

When looking at the Beavis transcript, the paragraph numbers do not seem to match your suggestions.  Please are you able to confirm that I have included the correct ones in my Authorities document?  It would be helpful if you could check this for all 3 cases.

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/ghf98k73ivw94l25zb7oo/AUTHORITIES-CASE-CITATIONS.docx?rlkey=aeqkyw76fbvc7xfqdakkqb1e3&st=1e9013ua&dl=0

Here is the Beavis transcript I am referring to, it is the only reference to this case I could find on the Bailii site.

https://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Civ/2015/402.html

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• CNBC confirmation that your Defence was served.
• The PoC page (highlight the absence of a cause of action).

Thanks again.  Do these need serving with the WS?

Also, how are you getting hold of these court transcripts?  I can't find a single one of them.  If you have them to hand they would be very much appreciated.

• ParkingEye Ltd v Beavis [2015] UKSC 67
• J Spurling Ltd v Bradshaw [1956] 1 WLR 461 (CA)
• Interfoto Picture Library Ltd v Stiletto Visual Programmes Ltd [1989] QB 433 (CA)

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Brennan v Premier Parking / PPS (2023)).
Because this isn’t a well-known reported authority, include the actual transcript (with the key paras highlighted) in your authorities bundle and serve it (or exhibit it) in advance if you can. That one is worth filing/serving.

Do you know where I can get a copy of this transcript?  I'm struggling to find one on this forum or on google.  It's mentioned all over the place but no link

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A one-page typed schedule is fine: heading with case number/parties/hearing date → one-line basis for costs → short itemised list → total → sign/date.

Amazing, thanks very much for your help with this.

I notice the WS cites ParkingEye v Beavis, Spurling v Bradshaw and Interfoto v Stiletto.  Do transcripts of these need to be sent to the Court and the Claimant along with the WS when I serve it?

Also, do you happen to know the correct email address to use to serve a WS on CNBC these days?  If I had to guess from the following information I would expect it to be ClaimResponses.CNBC@justice.gov.uk but Witness Statements are not specifically listed anywhere.

https://www.find-court-tribunal.service.gov.uk/courts/civil-national-business-centre-cnbc

I guess that to serve the WS on the Claimant, I sent it to the postal address given on the last document (Claimant's WS) that they sent me?

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/nur4mycwydlrghjdia8ji/Witness-statement-Claimant.pdf?rlkey=hzfmndd1n9jfz9hllvy33rpqw&st=7bkya0ad&dl=0

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Here are some copy-paste one-liners you can use on the costs sheet:

Thank you.

Is there an eccapted format for this statement of costs or do I lterally just need to choose a one liner, put it on a piece of paper and then follow it with a list of costs?

I have googled it but what comes up tends to be official forms (which you havent indicated I need to use) or information on how to start a county court claim, rather than how to claim costs if you successfully defend a such a claim made on yourself.

Do yu have a feel for what costs are reasonable and what arent, eg half a day's wages to go to court?  Is there a cap on lost earnings?  Presumably any postage, printing etc.  Mileage to go to court and back?  Claiming parking for the day of the court appearance is difficult because you wont have a receipt for this until you are literally walking to the court.  At wht point does it need to be finalised and does it need to be submitted to the court in advance or do you just produce it on the day if you win?

Also, ref the items you have said I need to take with me (Proof of defence service, schedule of costs, PoC), Do I need to send these to the CNBC at the same time as I send them the Witness Statement?

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Many thanks for this.

Minimal extras to bring (so you can answer any quick question in 10 seconds):
.......
• A one-page costs schedule (fixed costs; and a short line for 27.14(2)(g) noting defective PoC + ambush at WS stage + non-attendance).[/indent]

What is the short line for 27.14(2)(g)?

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I have had a Quick Look at their bundle but I am not going to provide any advice until you resubmit for review with ALL dates and times unredacted. That includes ALL timestamps too.

Also, please try and resubmit their landowner contract in focus.

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/nur4mycwydlrghjdia8ji/Witness-statement-Claimant.pdf?rlkey=hzfmndd1n9jfz9hllvy33rpqw&st=7bkya0ad&dl=0

Here is the improved and unredacted version as requested.

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Gladstones WS will be a rubbish template made by a paralegal with no direct knowledge and is simply hearsay. That will be pointed out in your WS. I really won't have time to look at anything until you have shown us their WS.

Hi again, I have recieved witness statement from the Claimant, link below.
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/axjun50l5xwqabken106x/WITNESS-STATEMENT-CLAIMANT.pdf?rlkey=wy8lmbi8uiy6hijfnf8msdfaq&st=sgryrlh8&dl=0

I have some observations:

- the cover letter says that the claimant will not be attending the court hearing.  Will Gladstones turn up or will no-one from the Claimant's side turn up, any idea?  Does this suggest that they are going to wait until the last minute and then discontinue?

- The 'defence' section of this witness statement claims they were not served with my Defence.  They were, as was the court.

- Exhibit GS2, the small print at the bottom is ilegible.

- Exhibit GS3 shows that there are no terms and conditions signs where these 10 minute bays are.  These bays are directly outside the front of the shops, along the red perimeter line near the location arrows for Iceland, Boots etc.  The closest ones are on the opposite side of the road, where they cannot be read by a driver parking in the 10 minute bays and also appearing very much like they apply to the main car park and not the bays.  This is further evidenced in the photos in Exhibit GS4, where they fail to provide a single photo where a terms and conditions sign even appears to apply to the bays where the grey vehicle is parked, let alone actually be legible by the driver of it.  Furthermore the terms and conditions signs shown in Exhibit GS4 are completely different to those shown in Exhibit GS3 and are not legible so there is no evidence of the terms and conditions that were perportedly in force at the time the grey car was parked.

- In Exhibit GS3, they include a photo of a completely different car (white), parked in a "10 minute waiting bay" but the signing stating that it is such is facing away from the car so how can the driver read that?  The terms and conditions signs reference "loading bays".  Nowhere in Exhibit GS4 is there a photo showing that the grey vehicle is parked in a "10 minute waiting bay" or a "loading bay" so how can any terms and conditions relating to either of those things apply to the grey vehicle?  The photo of the white car is not dated, that "10 minute waiting" sign may not have been there when the grey car was parked there.

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There is absolutely no point in preparing a WS before you have seen the claimants WS. Your defence is solely based on their technical failures. Once you have sight of their WS, you can then rebut their points. Your defence is going to depend on the preliminary matter that the PoC do not comply with CPR 16.4(1)(a).

You can prepare whatever you like but it will not matter until you see their WS first. It really won't matter if your WS is a day or so late. All the judge will care that there is a WS when the hearing takes place.

Gladstones WS will be a rubbish template made by a paralegal with no direct knowledge and is simply hearsay. That will be pointed out in your WS. I really won't have time to look at anything until you have shown us their WS.

Fair enough, I've diarised the date, thanks very much for your help and I'll post back here again in September when we see what happens

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Thanks.  It would be good to have a Witness Statement ready before the though so that I am not rushing to create one in the last few days before the deadline.  Would you or someone else here have time to look at mine and advise if it is any good / could be improved please?

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