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no it wasn't, he actually said they WERE guidelines but were now disregarded by every police force I'm the country. this was just one example of a couple of hours of bull sh!t the bloke came out with to justify his fee.

He’s talking out of his arse. 😂

The NPCC replaced ACPO but they have never revoked those guidelines as far as I’m aware.

And here’s the current guidance for the Met (by way of example): https://www.met.police.uk/foi-ai/metropolitan-police/d/march-2022/current-guidance-relating-to-speed-cameras/

Their threshold used to be marginally above the ACPO guideline (was 10%+3, now it’s 10%+2).

Police forces don’t have to follow these guidelines, but they never did have to.

Did you complain about the false information that he was putting out? I think I would.

why are you worried that you won't receive the NIP??

Like I say in the OP, Royal Mail have been rubbish in my area for a long time. We go for weeks without any post and then they deliver a few at once - if they haven’t managed to lose them.

I literally haven’t had any post here since December.

But if Plod say they posted a NIP in time for it to hypothetically meet the 14-day deadline, then it is deemed “served”.

As I say, there is no NIP so this is all hypothetical right now. I'm just wondering about what does happen if a NIP does eventually show up out of time or (much more worrying) if one never shows up but eventually something arrives in the post accusing me of having failed to name a driver for an NIP that I didn't even  receive.

Hi everyone, I think this is the right thread to post this.

I have an entirely hypothetical scenario to ask about. I am worried about being on the borderline for enforcement on a short 50mph average speed camera stretch of motorway. I have not received any NIP, and hopefully never will, so this is all entirely in the realms of the hypothetical.

The circumstances were that I was driving on an unfamiliar motorway, I was being dazzled by intense winter sun glare that was reflecting on the wet surface of the motorway. That's not intended as mitigation, just saying why I was focused more on avoiding collisions than looking out for cameras.

I saw a sign warning of a 50mph speed limit enforced by average speed cameras and started decelerating for that. At that point, my speedo was an indicated 59mph (I think), which showed on Waze as being 57mph (GPS speed). I didn't brake to decelerate, I just took my foot off the accelerator and let it slow down that way. I think I was down to an indicated 52mph by the time the 'national speed limit' signs appeared. This stretch of average speed cameras was far shorter than I expected, which is why I didn't brake to slow it down further.

From googling, it seems that this particular set of average speed cameras are enforced very strictly and people have had tickets for 57mph. So if my figures are accurate, the average would hopefully come out as just below this. But it was a short stretch, as I say, and I am not 100% certain that my deceleration was sufficient to avoid that threshold.

Now the thing is that I have not received a NIP. However, I have not received any post at all from the Royal Mail since December. I think we all know how rubbish the Royal Mail service has become lately.

So what worries me is if a NIP did get issued, I may receive it after the deadline for completing the S172 or I may not even receive it at all. That is what worries me more than anything. As far as I'm aware, if they post on the 12th day after the alleged offence, then it is deemed 'served' regardless of whether it is actually received or not. This is obviously unjust given that the RM has become so unreliable now (so much so that they have been getting fines for not meeting their service commitments).

If I am unlucky enough to be over their threshold, I should qualify for an awareness course (no points on my licence in years). I am far more worried about the possibility of being stung for a failure to name the driver for a NIP that I never received.