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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Manchester City Council, Code 12: Parked without permit, Manchester City Centre (near Etihad sta
« on: January 19, 2025, 05:12:26 pm »
Thank you both for your thoughts.
I thought it might be relevant so I've got the video from my journey that night from my turn into the estate from Ashton Old Road; you can see on the dashcam the sign but only for a second. My dashcam is on my windscreen so being further forward I think it's likely to see things I can't?
Video here
I did indeed pass the bays on Rylance Street; I don't think I took any notice of them. I didn't realise the area was a Parking Permit Area so I didn't think I had reason to pay attention to them. That might be a point against me and I should have noticed and realised.
The reason I parked where I did is that I was visiting friends who lived on that street and it was the only part of the street where I could park without blocking somebody's driveway. Frustratingly my friends did not mention the PPA.
I suppose the council could argue that the presence of the parking bays is enough of a reminder about the zone.
If I'm understanding the information given, then it seems that an appeal is very likely to fail. What do people recommend? I'm writing this on Sunday evening, the PCN was issued on Thursday evening. I haven't messaged the council at all. I'm a little tempted to pay the reduced £35 to get the whole thing over and done with. What would people suggest?
Also can I clarify a question, if I do make an appeal to Manchester City Council, does that 'pause' the timer on being able to still pay the reduced £35 fine over the £70 one?
Thanks again,
Graham
... you admit you missed the entry sign but there could be a case that it was hard to spot when turning left from a busy road.
I thought it might be relevant so I've got the video from my journey that night from my turn into the estate from Ashton Old Road; you can see on the dashcam the sign but only for a second. My dashcam is on my windscreen so being further forward I think it's likely to see things I can't?
Video here
You would have passed this bay on your way up Rylance St just before you turned right: -
https://maps.app.goo.gl/4HytFac646vJetEDA
Any reason for parking where you did ? Reason to ask is that residents are able to buy Visitor Permits which are given to their visitor, and one displays it on the car, or, sometimes, you can but a virtual visitor permit. Without these no traders could possible do any business in such areas.
I did indeed pass the bays on Rylance Street; I don't think I took any notice of them. I didn't realise the area was a Parking Permit Area so I didn't think I had reason to pay attention to them. That might be a point against me and I should have noticed and realised.
The reason I parked where I did is that I was visiting friends who lived on that street and it was the only part of the street where I could park without blocking somebody's driveway. Frustratingly my friends did not mention the PPA.
Point of info - they are called permit parking areas and defined as below in schedule 1 of the Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2016. The traffic signs manual says:
"Not all roads will be suitable for this type of signing. A cul‑de‑sac or a small network of roads with little or no through traffic would be the most appropriate. Otherwise the lack of road markings might tempt drivers unfamiliar with the area to park."
They are also don't need a sign on both sides of the road but a sign needs to be "clearly seen from all approaches to the permit parking area" - so this may be a point in this case, and also the size of the PPA possibly.
I suppose the council could argue that the presence of the parking bays is enough of a reminder about the zone.
If I'm understanding the information given, then it seems that an appeal is very likely to fail. What do people recommend? I'm writing this on Sunday evening, the PCN was issued on Thursday evening. I haven't messaged the council at all. I'm a little tempted to pay the reduced £35 to get the whole thing over and done with. What would people suggest?
Also can I clarify a question, if I do make an appeal to Manchester City Council, does that 'pause' the timer on being able to still pay the reduced £35 fine over the £70 one?
Thanks again,
Graham
