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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN Newham Council for loading bay (unmarked with inadequate signage)
« on: January 24, 2025, 12:04:54 am »
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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN Newham Council for loading bay (unmarked with inadequate signage)
« on: January 23, 2025, 11:55:23 pm »
Please find NoR attached.
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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN Newham Council for loading bay (unmarked with inadequate signage)
« on: January 23, 2025, 11:48:12 pm »
Thank you for your response and offer. How do I go about appealing immediately? There was no code given on the notice of rejection.
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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN Newham Council for loading bay (unmarked with inadequate signage)
« on: January 23, 2025, 11:40:06 pm »
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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN Newham Council for loading bay (unmarked with inadequate signage)
« on: January 23, 2025, 11:34:25 pm »
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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN Newham Council for loading bay (unmarked with inadequate signage)
« on: January 22, 2025, 12:59:24 pm »
I didn’t say you can’t comment, just said I’d rather you not seeing as though you were being obnoxious, and rightly so since now you’ve decided to contribute by attaching the step-by-step process (which mind you, has already been posted by a helpful member, John B a few days ago).
I’m not sure why it’s infuriated you when I’ve told you the reasoning for paying the PCN would give me a peace of mind. I highlighted that this was due to not wanting bailiffs turning up on my doorstep, but rather, you dismissed it as ‘stupid’. Why on earth would I ask for your assistance after that?
Anyways, thank you for providing your input on the best way to move forward. That I appreciate. I’ll make up my mind towards the end of the week and see if I want to pay the PCN or if I want to go forward with the appeal.
I’m not sure why it’s infuriated you when I’ve told you the reasoning for paying the PCN would give me a peace of mind. I highlighted that this was due to not wanting bailiffs turning up on my doorstep, but rather, you dismissed it as ‘stupid’. Why on earth would I ask for your assistance after that?
Anyways, thank you for providing your input on the best way to move forward. That I appreciate. I’ll make up my mind towards the end of the week and see if I want to pay the PCN or if I want to go forward with the appeal.
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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN Newham Council for loading bay (unmarked with inadequate signage)
« on: January 21, 2025, 10:39:34 pm »
This is very helpful. Thank you very much. I’m now considering this process.
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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN Newham Council for loading bay (unmarked with inadequate signage)
« on: January 21, 2025, 10:22:53 pm »
I’m struggling to understand what exactly you’re doing here besides writing annoying comments. Unlike Enceladus and the others who have actually laid out step by step processes as well as the alternative if I don’t want to go through the lengthy process. Since you’re not providing anything beneficial, I’d rather you not comment. It’s not as if I’ll be asking you to review my appeal or witness statement with your lazy comments and multiple spelling errors.
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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN Newham Council for loading bay (unmarked with inadequate signage)
« on: January 21, 2025, 03:28:56 pm »
Thank you for your in-depth answer and assistance throughout this process. I appreciate it very much.
The written representation was done through the council portal, I have attached the screenshot.
It seems as though, even though the council are in the wrong here, to just pay the £64, which would give me a peace of mind. I imagine I would end up making a silly mistake i.e missing a deadline/not filing something correctly in the process of trying to fight this battle. It’s frustrating because the council have not adhered to standards both procedurally and in maintaining the road signs, but what can we do.
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The written representation was done through the council portal, I have attached the screenshot.
It seems as though, even though the council are in the wrong here, to just pay the £64, which would give me a peace of mind. I imagine I would end up making a silly mistake i.e missing a deadline/not filing something correctly in the process of trying to fight this battle. It’s frustrating because the council have not adhered to standards both procedurally and in maintaining the road signs, but what can we do.
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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN Newham Council for loading bay (unmarked with inadequate signage)
« on: January 21, 2025, 09:36:19 am »
I was responding to the Enceladus response saying see what others have to say when he was the only responding. Fortunately someone else did respond earlier.
I’m just wondering whether it would be better to appeal to the adjudicator immediately or wait for the Order for Recovery. Seeing these constant letters and reminders gives me anxiety, that’s all, and the last thing that I want is bailiffs turning up on my doorstep.
I’m just wondering whether it would be better to appeal to the adjudicator immediately or wait for the Order for Recovery. Seeing these constant letters and reminders gives me anxiety, that’s all, and the last thing that I want is bailiffs turning up on my doorstep.
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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN Newham Council for loading bay (unmarked with inadequate signage)
« on: January 20, 2025, 09:07:28 pm »
I submitted the representation via the Council website and was given a code in return for my appeal. I have a screenshot of this. I no longer have the full text for my full representation, however, I used the following for the main body of my Grounds of Appeal.
"**Lack of Adequate Signage:**
According to Regulation 18 of The Local Authorities' Traffic Orders (Procedure) (England and Wales) Regulations 1996, it is required that traffic signs indicating the effect of an order be placed to ensure that they are adequate to convey the order to the road users. In this case, there was no signage indicating the hours of operation or the specific restrictions of the loading bay where my vehicle was parked. The only indication is a marking on the road, which is insufficient without accompanying signs. This lack of proper signage does not comply with the legal requirements and thus invalidates the PCN[/i]".
I feel as though I have uploaded sufficient information over the past week. In regards to next steps, what do you think the best course of action is?
"**Lack of Adequate Signage:**
According to Regulation 18 of The Local Authorities' Traffic Orders (Procedure) (England and Wales) Regulations 1996, it is required that traffic signs indicating the effect of an order be placed to ensure that they are adequate to convey the order to the road users. In this case, there was no signage indicating the hours of operation or the specific restrictions of the loading bay where my vehicle was parked. The only indication is a marking on the road, which is insufficient without accompanying signs. This lack of proper signage does not comply with the legal requirements and thus invalidates the PCN[/i]".
I feel as though I have uploaded sufficient information over the past week. In regards to next steps, what do you think the best course of action is?
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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN Newham Council for loading bay (unmarked with inadequate signage)
« on: January 19, 2025, 09:53:32 pm »
Yep it’s all correct. Seems as though there’s serious procedural issues that were not followed by Newham Council. Let’s see if we get any further responses down the line. Thank you for your help.
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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN Newham Council for loading bay (unmarked with inadequate signage)
« on: January 19, 2025, 10:43:27 am »
The formal representation was submitted on 14 December and it was via e-mail.
I have attached the e-mail which contained the NoR . The e-mail was sent on 13 January.
I don’t think many others would response to this forum, seeing as though you’re the only that seems to be helping. In that case, perhaps it’d be better to er on the side of caution and appeal to the independent adjudicator immediately? I don’t really want this charge to rack up any further and bring any more headache down the line. However I have no problem drafting a witness statement if required and can do this myself. Please do let me know what you think. Thank you.
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I have attached the e-mail which contained the NoR . The e-mail was sent on 13 January.
I don’t think many others would response to this forum, seeing as though you’re the only that seems to be helping. In that case, perhaps it’d be better to er on the side of caution and appeal to the independent adjudicator immediately? I don’t really want this charge to rack up any further and bring any more headache down the line. However I have no problem drafting a witness statement if required and can do this myself. Please do let me know what you think. Thank you.
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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN Newham Council for loading bay (unmarked with inadequate signage)
« on: January 17, 2025, 03:07:20 pm »Apologies yet again, you can clearly see that I’m a rookie here. I have attached both pages of the Notice of Rejection. Fortunately, I also have the screenshot for the £1 charge which I paid. Please find attached.
Thank you for providing the process for appeal. Given that you are satisfied there’s grounds of appeal post reviewing the NoR, am I correct in that the appeal to the independent adjudicator should be done through the London Tribunal Appeals portal?
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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN Newham Council for loading bay (unmarked with inadequate signage)
« on: January 17, 2025, 03:05:45 pm »
Apologies yet again, you can clearly see that I’m a rookie here. I have attached both pages of the Notice of Rejection. Fortunately, I also have the screenshot for the £1 charge which I paid. Please find attached.
Thank you for providing the process for appeal. Given that you are satisfied there’s grounds of appeal post reviewing the NoR, am I correct in that the appeal to the independent adjudicator should be done through the London Tribunal Appeals portal?
Thank you for providing the process for appeal. Given that you are satisfied there’s grounds of appeal post reviewing the NoR, am I correct in that the appeal to the independent adjudicator should be done through the London Tribunal Appeals portal?
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