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Case No. 2250086439

The Adjudicator mentions a road leading to a doctor surgery - which is nothing to do with me.

He also talks about google maps and sat navs - again nothing that I mentioned in my appeal.
The adjudicator also mentions the road having cars parked on both sides - again nothing to do with my case.

He also didn't mention any of the points in my appeal.

Finally, I asked for a remote hearing and I never got the meeting invite to attend.

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Hello,

I lose a case at the London Tribunals.

But the letter I received does not make any sense. The Adjudicator's decision talks about visiting a doctor surgery, something about sat-nav and referencing things like speed camera which is nothing related to my case.

It is clearly a decision for another case however, since I lost the case do I pay the fine or ask for it to be re-looked at?

Thank you


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I've applied to Tribunal based on printing errors on the notice of rejection sent to my house.

I'm not sure if I have a strong case. I am sure others would have also received similar copies until they fix their printers.

Attached are pictures of the printing defects on the posted letter I received.

What are the peoples thoughts on this?

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Hi @Johnsmith86 - Could you share a link of your post and your appeal details, maybe we can use the same arguments?

I am in the same situation and have also received a PCN for the same alleged contravention on the same road. I was having a look online and found the below:

"Home » Contraventions for Moving Traffic » Contravention Code 52
Contravention Code 52
Failing to comply with a sign indicating a prohibition on certain types of vehicles – Contravention Code 52
 

Specific grounds of appeal for this contravention:

Was the PCN sufficiently clear as to the contravention. In one case the PCN stated failing to comply with a sign indicating a prohibition on certain types of vehicle, however the signage at the location stated motor vehicles prohibited. The adjudicator said the PCN should have referred to “motor vehicles” rather than “certain types of vehicle”. Certain types of vehicles is too general. The contraventions have various suffixes. The correct suffix must be used and the contravention stated must be the exact one that relates to the stated contravention code.

Does anyone think i have a grounds for an appeal based on the above? Unfortunately I couldn't find reference to the above case where the adjudicator cancelled the PCN.

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I'm still unsure if I should pay the reduced amount or argue that the signs could be made clear.

Here is a list of my issues:
- One side of Townmead Road has a sign with a roundabout and clearly shows which road is restricted.
-The side of Towmead Road I drove in had no such sign.
- Also the ENTRY of Imperial Road where there are cameras does not have any sign mentioning it is a LTN road.

Another poster in this mentioned this:

Specific grounds of appeal for this contravention:

Was the PCN sufficiently clear as to the contravention. In one case the PCN stated failing to comply with a sign indicating a prohibition on certain types of vehicle, however the signage at the location stated motor vehicles prohibited. The adjudicator said the PCN should have referred to “motor vehicles” rather than “certain types of vehicle”. Certain types of vehicles is too general. The contraventions have various suffixes. The correct suffix must be used and the contravention stated must be the exact one that relates to the stated contravention code.

Is that a strong case?

The PCN mentions "certain types of vehicle (m) motor vehicle"

Thank you for any help.


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I've just had an e-mail replay (letter will be in the post) and they have not cancelled the PCN  :(  (Just my luck!)

Should I just pay the discounted rate or are there any technicalities that I can argue?
 
Could the sign have been show which road in the roundabout is restricted? (screenshot)

Attaching the PDF response letter.

 

 

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The PCN/website should offer an 'any other ground you wish to raise' option shouldn't it?

That was the option I was looking for an feel none of the ones in the list apply to me, I've managed to take a screenshot:



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I am just about to make a representation. Which option would be best to choose from this list? Feels like none of them apply.

Please select your grounds for Representation:
   - I was not the owner of the vehicle at the time of the alleged contravention
   - The vehicle had been taken without my consent
   - The contravention did not occur
   - The penalty charge exceeded the amount applicable in the circumstances
   - We are a hire firm and have supplied the name of the hirer along with a signed hire agreement

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You can make it shorter. I've added a couple of things (underlined). 

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Dear Sir/Madam,

I kindly request that you consider my case for discretion, as I was unaware of the Low Traffic Neighbourhood (LTN) restrictions in the area. I am not local to the borough and was visiting the area during the school Christmas holidays to take my children to the Gambado Chelsea soft play center in STREET NAME, and so was accessing a local facility and not using the route as a cut-through.

I have attached receipts from Gambado as evidence of my visit.

At the time, I did not see any signs indicating the restrictions. Had I been aware of the LTN or seen clear signage, I would have avoided entering Imperial Road entirely. Additionally, I did not take a shortcut to avoid traffic, as the roads were quiet due to the holiday season.

This is my first PCN for this area and road, and I sincerely apologise for this inadvertent mistake. I assure you that I had no intention of violating any restrictions and understand the importance of adhering to all local traffic regulations.

Thank you for taking the time to consider my representation, and I look forward to your response.

Thank you for this, I will submit and keep you posted.

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Here is my draft, any comments or suggestions for improvement? Anything I should not mention? (Thank you in advance)



Hammersmith and Fulham Council
Parking Services

Subject: Challenge Against PCN HZXXXXX

Dear Sir/Madam,

I am writing to formally challenge the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) referenced above, issued to my vehicle (registration number FEXXXXX) on 22/12/2024 for allegedly failing to comply with a prohibition on certain types of vehicles at Imperial Rd NWbnd - NW of Fulmead St.

I kindly request that you review my case, as I was unaware of the Low Traffic Neighbourhood (LTN) restrictions in the area. I am not local to the borough and was visiting the area during the school Christmas holidays to take my children to the Gambado Chelsea soft play center. I have attached receipts from Gambado as evidence of my visit.

At the time, I did not see any signs indicating the restrictions. Had I been aware of the LTN or seen clear signage, I would have avoided entering Imperial Road entirely. Additionally, I did not take a shortcut to avoid traffic, as the roads were quiet due to the holiday season.

This is my first PCN for this area and road, and I sincerely apologise for this inadvertent mistake. I assure you that I had no intention of violating any restrictions and understand the importance of adhering to all local traffic regulations.

Given the circumstances, I kindly request leniency and the cancellation of this PCN. I hope you will consider the following mitigating factors:
1. This being my first contravention.
2. My status as a non-local visitor.
3. Unawareness of the restriction
4. Evidence of my purpose for visiting the area (receipts provided).

I greatly appreciate your understanding and consideration of my case.

Thank you for taking the time to consider my representation, and I look forward to your response.

Yours sincerely,

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Here is the video from the h&f website (Attached below). The signs here are clear  :(

I still don't know why i missed it. Maybe I got distracted by the car turning in on my left or the traffic light having a slight hump. [ Guests cannot view attachments ]

I'm still drafting a reply and will post this shortly...

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H&F has a record of cancelling first time contraventions here especially if you were accessing a local facility.

A polite ask should probably get this cancelled. But did you go back through the restriction the other way?

On the old forum I helped someone get four PCNs cancelled for going to and fro I think the same soft play place.

I will draft up a polite request for this to be cancelled not had much success in the past when I have done it.

I must have taken the route via Townmead Road from Wandworth bridge which I believe doesn't have any restriction. The road look similar from the roundabout near the soft play center.

A few things that have come to my mind:

1) When approaching Imperial Road from Townmead Road (coming  from Wandsworth Bridge)  - the Signage is so much more clear as they have a restriction map of the road and roundabout - see screenshot but when coming from the other side of the roundabout there is no such sign.

2) From the north side Townmead Road (coming  from imperial wharf) There is no placement of a restriction sign on the ENTRANCE of Imperial road, rather it is on the Townmead Road so for people not familiar with the road it seems that Imperial Road is straight ahead (see 2nd Screenshot)

I'm not sure if i've explained the above two points clearly.


@stamfordman - how can I see your old posts from the previous sites - are there any archived copies available - thank you?

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From this map you van see the camera which caught you and the extent of the LTN
https://www.lbhf.gov.uk/transport-and-roads/clean-air-neighbourhoods/south-fulham-clean-air-neighbourhood

At what point did you enter the green area? That is where the signs should be located.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/jCZvgXLrrNjvHrST8

The signage at the roundabout imperial Road/Townmead Road junction is here
https://maps.app.goo.gl/oKyErcHhT5ouiZ786

Thanks John for your reply.

I took this route : https://maps.app.goo.gl/VHAvK2NvyFWuy15X6

I just noticed the sign for Imperial Road from your 3rd link, I feel it is a bit sneaky to put it there rather than the entrance of Imperial Road i.e I took a right on that roundabout from your 3rd screenshot.

The roads looks so normal and I must have been concentrating more on the satnav rather the the signage and I honestly missed all the signs.

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Hello everyone,

I use to use the pepipoo with great success and was sad to see it close.

I just received a PCN from Hammersmith & Fulham council for:

Contravention Description: Failing to comply with a prohibition on certain types of vehicle (m) motor vehicles
Location:                Imperial Rd NWbnd - NW of Fulmead St

I did a search on this site and couldnt see many matches for the above PCN, which I was suprised about as I feel that this could be a common issue with a lot of drivers.

My reason for driving on this road was that I took my children to the Soft Play nearby (Gambado Chelsea, 7 Station Court, Townmead Road, SW6 2PY) and when I entered Imperial Road from the roundabout I did no see any signs of restrictions, i was surprised to receive the PCN through the post.

I'm not from the area so not familiar with the roads and restrictions.

Do I have any reasonable ground to appeal?

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