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At least you tried. TFL's penalties are higher than other London authorities which makes it a bigger gamble to appeal.

They do sometimes make very generous offers for refused appeals - yesterday they let someone off 13 ULEZ PCNs by accepting the charge for each instead of the penalty - a massive saving.

Transport for London confirmed that they are willing to accept the discounted outstanding amount of £12.50, total £162.50 if payment is made and received within 14 days of the date of this letter. This payment can only be made by calling the contact centre during the opening hours. If full payment has not been made within 14 days, the penalty amount will revert to £180 for each contravention, total £2340 and Transport for London will be able to pursue its normal enforcement procedures. Adjudicators do not have the power to reduce the amount of the penalty or accept payments by instalments. Payments for penalties is a matter between the Appellant and Transport for London.

Wow, I'd like to read how that lucky person got around that, well done them.

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I paid both remaining PCN's today at the discounted rate. What a scam. Thank you everyone for trying to help.

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Have a browse through the Road User Charging Adjudicators cases - you can see what they do. We don't tend to monitor road charging adjudications as they are often cut and dried and in London they all involve TFL.

But we also know TFL doesn't contest a lot of cases (parking/moving traffic - not sure about road charging).

https://londontribunals.org.uk/ords/pwslive/f?p=14952:30::INITIALISE::Y::&cs=3p-xIrMTzn7Fx1lDRyAqLHlVXj7WuaintamCkg8m_eBIn-Eq2w52yRYjVeKRbewy2_PpNe0tJOrwX6BMghcGQ9A

That link doesn't seem to work for me?

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So I gather I have no choice but to pay it right?
No, you do have a choice, but if you decide to take them to London Tribunals, the full PCN penalty will be in play and as far as I can see looking back in the thread, so far nobody has come up with a good appeal argument. In a case like this, it very likely would be a "technical" appeal not related to the actual contraventions, but based on TfL mismanagement of the enforcement process defined in statute and associated regulations.

I'm not sure I have the stomach to fight them at this point, I'm more concerned about forgetting I even have the PCN's and getting penalised, I think I may just take the bullet and settle, and from what you wrote I understand I don't have a good case, even though it is the truth of what happened.

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So I gather I have no choice but to pay it right?

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A very long letter of rejection which basically tells you to sod-off and pay. They are playing hard-ball and unfortunately if you take them to London Tribunals they can only decide on the statutory grounds for an appeal; they cannot apply mitigation.

Have you yet paid up ?

I've not paid yet I have until this coming Thursday.

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I take it they refused the e-mail request?

They wouldn't email us the letter but they said they'd send another copy, in any case the following below arrived today. To be clear my mother wrote the representation and I attached my letter signed to it, I used the same address as my mother as I am currently there. I am not impressed with the response which presumed my mother was also somehow aware of all of this despite living in Lancashire at the same address. Here is what we wrote to make the representation and what they replied with.

Prelude (the part written by my mother)



My letter signed and attached as a pdf




Their response




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Telephone, explain non-receipt and ask if they will e-mail you copies.

It's in the post, we have until the 20th to pay. Thanks

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It's Wednesday now, still nothing in the post... starting to get concerned! Should I call them?

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We still haven't received anything via the post, I am getting concerned that the penalty will jump up to £180 each.

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You might want to check yr e-mail junk box: see this

https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/sutton-code-46-stopped-where-prohibited-(red-route)-os-46-50-high-street-sm3tfl-/msg56629/#new

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I received the Notice of Rejection yesterday by email which landed in the the junk folder ::)
For the benefit of others, make sure to add NoReply@tflenforcement.com to your mailbox safe sender rules.

Much appreciated. I just checked my spam folder, nothing there...

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should we be expecting TfL's reply in the post as well?

It has to come by post. Written on Friday you said (date in status timeline?). If posted on Friday, should arrive tomorrow or Tuesday. Given the state of the Royal Mail, I'd give it a few days before chasing it up. (I don't know if they will email it on request).

You have checked against both PCN numbers?

Until we see the rejection we do not know what errors may lie therein.

@cp8579 may well knmow if there are any fatal errors in the small print of TfL's ULEZ PCNs
(Posts Replies #2 and #14 on page 1 above).

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I think I'd like to pay this and get it out of the way today,

You don't want to pay today and close the case only to find fatal errors in the Notices of Rejection when they arrive.

Ok thank you for letting me know, yes checked both of them, both rejected on the same day Friday.

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I think I'd like to pay this and get it out of the way today, should we be expecting TfL's reply in the post as well?

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FYI the representation was rejected today...

Please to post up the rejection, redacting only name & address.

Was your rep. exactly as per post Reply#20 above?

I haven't received the letters yet but I checked it online today. Yes the rep was the same as post Reply#20. At this point I'm thinking of just paying it....

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FYI the representation was rejected today...

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