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Thanks you everyone for your guidance, support, and advice, which helped me successfully win this case.

PCN RG84267225 - There is nothing to pay and the authority will cancel the penalty charge

This is because the alleged parking contravention did not occur.

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Apologies - Yes the council evidence pack was downloaded - but I'm going through a rough time now, and  hadnt properly seen this.

I am not sure how strong my case is, as I havent uploaded my side documents yet, I do however have next 20 minutes to prepare - please find the link of evidence pack below

https://i.postimg.cc/hj2d780H/Evidence-Summary-RG00255-2510.png

https://postimg.cc/ZByRGd2c


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Good evening

I have received notification that the Tribunal hearing with the adjudicator will take place at 11 am on 10th November 

Should I upload my representation and the parking receipts to the tribunal now, ahead of the hearing on 10th November?  Thanks

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Go for the telephone or video hearing.

Thank you, I’ve chosen the telephone hearing option and just wondering what I should prepare?
I haven’t uploaded any evidence yet to the tribunal– does anyone know what to expect? Should I also upload the evidence the authority submitted here?

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Just wait. TPT's administration of the process seems totally proper and informative.

The authority has to make a decision.

Does it want its abuse of the Red Route exemption to serving a PCN by hand by use of a mobile camera(we've yet to explore whether the device itself is 'approved) which captures perhaps 1-2 seconds of activity exposed in front of the adjudicator?

Does it really believe what it wrote when it was a judge in its own cause and have confidence to argue this to the adjudicator?

IMO, NO and NO.

Just wait for the next contact from TPT (why did you write TFL?).

Sorry - its TPT clearly I spent too much time in TFL

Just catching up on this now – I completely missed the Tribunal's email saying the authority had uploaded its evidence. I read I need to respond within 7 days – thankfully, today is the 7th day. Honestly, it got buried with lot spam emails and I totally overlooked it. Genuine mistake.

These are the two options I’ve now
I would like the Adjudicator to decide my case now
I would like a Telephone Hearing / Video Hearing

Not sure whether I should go with the second one or if I should upload more evidence – like my earlier representation and the parking receipt and let the Adjudicator decide.

Would really appreciate any advice or support on what to do next 

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Hi All

I received the below update from TFL - Should I wait until the Authority upload their case files? please guide me

Appeal Update:
Your appeal has been registered
Case Number: RG00255-2510
Your appeal to the Traffic Penalty Tribunal has now been registered and the Authority that issued the Penalty Charge Notice(s) has confirmed details of the case.
What happens now?
The Authority will decide whether or not to contest your appeal within 14 days.
 
If the Authority decides not to contest your appeal, you will be notified that your appeal has been allowed and will have nothing to pay.
 
If the Authority decides to contest your appeal, it will upload any evidence it has to support its case against you to your online case file.
 
The Traffic Penalty Tribunal will then ask you to log-in to view and (if you choose) respond to the Authority’s evidence, before indicating whether:

you would like your case to be passed straight to an independent
Traffic Penalty Tribunal Adjudicator for a decision
OR
you would like a hearing with an Adjudicator to explain your case further, either by telephone or video. The Authority may also be present during this hearing. Please note: If you do not choose either of the above options when prompted, an Adjudicator will go ahead and decide the case without a hearing.

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Just register pl. Everything else can be added later.

Thank you- please see below status

Your appeal has been submitted
and allocated reference number RG00255-2510

What happens next:
The details of your appeal will be checked and confirmed. The Authority will then get an opportunity to upload their evidence for this appeal.

The Traffic Penalty Tribunal will contact you via email with updates, or when we need you to do something.

What you need to do:
Keep an eye out for any emails relating to your appeal and follow the instructions given.

You can access your appeal at any time by logging into this portal. Here you can see the current status of your appeal and check any actions required by you. You can also add more evidence to support your claim if you wish by selecting the Evidence tab at the top of the page.

If you don’t hear from us within 48 hours, please email help@trafficpenaltytribunal.gov.uk or call us on 0800 160 1999.

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OP, with respect you have lost the thread of your case.

You made formal reps to the authority which were rejected by notice dated 9 Sept.

You therefore have/had until 8 October to register your appeal with the Traffic Penalty Tribunal.

All this requires is you to get online, quote your NOR code and register. You do not submit War and Peace: contravention did not occur, personal hearing, rely upon my formal reps would suffice.

Have you registered??

(I haven't the time to trawl through all the posts, pl just confirm. If you haven't, then do it now. Lengthy submissions can wait)

I misunderstood the previous advice here and assumed I had already won the case  :-\ , so I didn’t take any action to register the appeal. I panicked this morning and quickly started the appeal process, added my representation. Now I see there’s no option to remove or edit it to a personal hearing.

Should I still go ahead and submit it? Sorry for the confusion.

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Thank you all - I totally lost track of the deadline- I tot I already won the case so I didnt realise I still needed to respond.

Here is my formal representation - is this good enough

I am writing to make formal representations in respect of PCN, issued under the provisions of the Traffic Management Act 2004.
Having carefully reviewed the evidence provided by the enforcement authority, I submit that no contravention occurred, and I request that the PCN be cancelled for the following reasons:
1. Exempt Stop for Safe Manoeuvre into an Adjacent Parking Bay
At the time of the alleged contravention, my vehicle was briefly stationary in a live traffic lane adjacent to a clearly marked, conditionally exempted parking bay on a Red Route. The vehicle was stopped only momentarily due to the need to exercise proper care before reversing into the parking place.
This was not a voluntary or discretionary stop, but a necessary and lawful action taken in the interest of road safety. Under Transport for London Red Route regulations, such stops are exempt from enforcement, as they are considered circumstances beyond the driver’s control when required to safely perform a lawful parking manoeuvre.
The vehicle was indicating to turn and in the process of positioning safely. This was not idling, waiting, or unauthorised stopping — it was a brief and necessary pause in compliance with safe driving standards.

2. CCTV Evidence is Inconclusive and Lacks Context
It is essential to bring to the authority’s attention that the CCTV evidence was captured from a mobile enforcement vehicle and comprises only one second of footage showing the vehicle stationary.
This footage does not show what occurred before or after the moment in question and therefore fails to establish whether a contravention took place. In fact, the extreme brevity of the recording supports my account that the stop was momentary and part of a lawful and exempt parking manoeuvre.
A PCN cannot be upheld where the enforcement evidence is insufficient to prove a contravention occurred beyond reasonable doubt.
Furthermore, it is worth noting that in this one-second clip, the Mini vehicle adjacent to mine is also indicating — clearly preparing to pull out of the bay to give space. This further supports my position that I was legitimately and safely manoeuvring into that space, and not stopping unlawfully.

3. Relevant Case Law — PCN Cancelled in Similar Circumstances
This situation closely mirrors the facts in case reference 2250164419, heard before Adjudicator Michael Burke on 30 July 2025, concerning a PCN issued by the London Borough of Redbridge.
In that case, the vehicle had stopped briefly (6 seconds) on a double red line while the driver assessed whether parking in a nearby bay was permitted, before reversing into it. The adjudicator ruled:
“A vehicle must stop in order to be able to reverse park in a bay. I am satisfied the 6-second stop was part of a traffic manoeuvre which does not amount to a contravention… Accordingly I allow the appeal.”
In my case, the stop was even briefer — just one second, with the vehicle preparing to park in an adjacent bay. It is therefore entirely consistent with the adjudicator’s reasoning that this type of stop is not a contravention, as it forms part of a necessary and lawful traffic manoeuvre.

4. No Obstruction or Traffic Impact
At no time did the vehicle obstruct traffic or occupy any restricted markings. The road remained clear and traffic continued to flow freely. There was no infringement of "Keep Clear" zones, bus lanes, pedestrian crossings, or similar.

5. Disproportionate Enforcement
In accordance with the Secretary of State’s Statutory Guidance to Local Authorities on Civil Parking Enforcement, local authorities are expected to enforce regulations in a manner that is fair, proportionate, and in the public interest.
Issuing a penalty based solely on an inconclusive, one-second video — without context or clear evidence of a prohibited act — is neither fair nor proportionate. It undermines public confidence in enforcement where legitimate and exempt driving behaviour is penalised.

Conclusion
Given that:
The stop was lawful, brief, and exempt under Red Route regulations,
The CCTV footage is inconclusive and lacks the context needed to support enforcement,
A recent adjudicator’s ruling (2250164419) confirms these actions do not constitute a contravention,
There was no obstruction or traffic interference, and
Enforcement in this case is clearly disproportionate,

I respectfully request that this Penalty Charge Notice be cancelled.
Please also note that I have attached a copy of the parking receipt, confirming my intent to park lawfully and further supporting that the brief stop was in preparation for parking in a permitted bay.
Thank you for your time and consideration

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Do not concede anything like this or make apologies.

Remember their evidence i.e. a moving camera which had your vehicle in sight for LESS THAN 1 SECOND.

How the **** could the authority make the claims they have? It's preposterous.

Anyway, all you have to do at this stage is register your appeal. We don't need War and Peace - despite your obvious inclinations to write something of this length!

Contravention did not occur.
Procedural impropriety.

You rely upon your formal representations but will add further representations after receipt of the authority's evidence.

Come back here when you've registered.


In their response, they stated:
CCTV footage clearly shows the vehicle had stopped. It also shows the vehicle was causing an obstruction as the CCTV car had to pull out into the opposite lane to get past the vehicle.

But isn’t it normal are they using the movement of their own camera car as evidence of obstruction?

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Did you use a parking app as that will have a record.

But anyway you should address what the adjudicator will see in the video as you were positioned correctly to allow the car out.

Here’s the image from my CC statement — it shows the date and lists Reading Reading RDG as the location, but there’s no other detail related to parking.
https://imgur.com/a/Js3DUbz


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Yes, that's right — the car parked in front of the Mini was pulling out, and I had reversed slightly to give them space to move. My intention was to take that space as soon as they left. And I did pay for parking but I don’t have the exact time or details of the payment, gotta check my bank statements 

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Please see the link below for the rejection letter I received from Reading Borough Council
https://imgur.com/a/JDoDSpI
I’ve also drafted an appeal below to the adjudicator. I would really appreciate it if anyone could let me know
Do I stand a good chance of winning this at the tribunal? Is my appeal strong, or does it need improvement?
If not am I still within the 14-day discount period?
The rejection letter is dated 9th September, but I only received it on 12th September, so I’m not sure if the discount window has closed or not.


Adding Reading Council rejection incase the above link is not clear-
Applying Discretion:
I have considered the representations and reviewed the time and date stamped footage recorded by the CCTV car at the time of the contravention. I can confirm that the above noted vehicle was stopped where prohibited on a red route. The area where your vehicle was stopped was subject to a 'No Waiting restriction. The restriction is applicable 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. It is the driver's responsibility to act upon information given to them through traffic signs and road markings, as stipulated in the Highway Code. With regards to your correspondence, the CCTV footage clearly shows the vehicle had stopped. It also
shows the vehicle was causing an obstruction as the CCTV car had to pull out into the opposite lane to get pass the vehicle. Furthermore, the CCTV footage shows there is no available parking space and no evidence that one is about to become available. Applying discretion when reviewing representations against a PCN requires consideration of both the points raised against the issue of the PCN as well as the evidence recorded at the time of the contravention. A judgement is made on the evidence and a decision made accordingly. The decision can be to either cancel the charge or continue pursue payment. Reading Borough Council has exercised discretion when considering your representation and has made a decision not to cancel the PCN. Your representation has been considered by this office in accordance with the requirement of the Traffic Management Act 2004 (as amended), but after full consideration of the representations made and all other circumstances relating to the issue of Penalty Charge Notice, I have to advise you that grounds for representation against the Penalty Charge Notice have not been established. This Notice is issued as a formal Notice of rejection under Part 6, Section 80 of the Traffic Management Act 2004 and Regulation 6 of The Civil Enforcement of Road Traffic Contraventions (Approved Devices, Charging Guidelines and General Provisions) (England) Regulations 2022.

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My Appeal to the adjudicator.
I am appealing the rejection of PCN RG84267225 issued by Reading Borough Council on the grounds that no contravention occurred and the vehicle was not stopped in contravention of the red route regulations.

1. Lawful and Exempt Stop to Execute Parking Manoeuvre

At the time in question, I stopped briefly adjacent to a marked red route parking bay in order to safely reverse into an available parking space. This stop was made as part of a lawful and necessary manoeuvre, and such stops are recognised as exempt from enforcement under Transport for London and general red route enforcement guidance.

I had signalled my intention to park, and paused briefly only because the space was still occupied by another vehicle at the time. As soon as it moved, I would have completed the manoeuvre safely.

2. Evidence Contradicts Council’s Justification

The council claimed in their Notice of Rejection that: There is no available parking space and no evidence that one is about to become available.
However, the council's own CCTV evidence clearly shows the brake lights of a vehicle occupying the space, confirming that: A space was present, just not immediately accessible.My stop was in direct relation to that space becoming available.

This detail directly supports my version of events and undermines the council’s claim.

3. Brief Stop, No Obstruction

My vehicle was stationary only momentarily and did not cause an obstruction. Traffic could continue, and there were no “Keep Clear” or other safety-critical markings in the area. The stop was made with full regard for safety and good driving practice.

4. Disproportionate Enforcement

The council relied on very limited CCTV evidence — a brief clip showing my vehicle stopped without context of what occurred before or after. There is no evidence of prolonged stopping, idling, or abandoning the vehicle. The enforcement action is disproportionate in this case and contrary to the spirit of fair and evidence-based enforcement.

I respectfully request that the adjudicator consider:
The evidence of brake lights in the intended parking space,
The lawful nature of my brief stop, and
The lack of substantive evidence supporting the council’s position.

This was not a contravention, and I ask that the PCN be cancelled.

Supporting Evidence:The first image from CCTV showing the brake lights of the vehicle occupying the parking bay.

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I have attached the response received regarding the PCN appeal

https://imgur.com/a/FB9pfaa
https://imgur.com/a/Pc9oIk8
https://imgur.com/iH49Z3E
https://imgur.com/yFzvm2W
https://imgur.com/a/FzQV2ze


unfortunately, it has been rejected :(
What do we do now? Any advice?

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