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@cp8759

Sorry I meant you are going to the tribunal on my behalf. I meant ‘we’ as in you and me.

My question to you was:

Is it on the basis of no signage? We sure to win?

@cp8759
Yes just as you mentioned it was here on Monday but dated 23/01/2025.
14 days to pay from 23/01/2025. £55
Letter attached below from Bromley.



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Chaps, just something to be aware of - the PCN refers to Bus Stop T, whilst all the streetview links that have been added to this thread are of Bus Stop U.

Stop T is over the road outside Boots.

Thanks for the update. I am of the understanding that this should still not change the challenge. I will however go and check bus stop T and update here. If my memory is correct the bus stop T also is long and have no signs until the very end where the actual bus stop shelter is located.

@cp8759 @stamfordman

I had a similar issue with Newham at another location on a Sunday with similar markings and Newham towed my car away leaving me and my family stranded for hours. To make it worse they had closed up for the day and I had to come all the way back to Canning Town next day (Monday) and pay £300 to get my car back.

I managed to challenge it and took them to court and was able to convince the judge that the signs were misleading at best. The judge agreed and have ruled in my favour.

@Incandescent

Thank you very much.

The (Mathew Mathai vs.....) case is exactly the same situation as mine here.

When I reply to the council do I mention this case for reference or wait for the next stage and use this at the court?

@stamfordman

Stopping and waiting
Private hire drivers can stop to pick up or drop off passengers in many areas where there
are rules in place to limit waiting or stopping. You need to remember that:
• PHV drivers should not stop in any place where they might stop other vehicles
moving or be a danger to other road users.
• PHV drivers must not stop on zig-zag lines (for example, by pedestrian crossings,
outside schools)
You should check what signage is displayed about stopping or waiting and make sure you
understand and follow the instructions:
• You can pick up or drop off passengers:
- On single and double red lines
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- On single and double yellow lines
- In places where loading is not allowed (shown by markings on the kerb)
- In most parking bays
- In most bus lanes, although you should avoid this if possible as it might delay
or obstruct buses
But remember you cannot wait for passengers in these areas.
• You can stop in the above locations only long enough for the passengers to get in
or out of your vehicle. This includes the time to help passengers who need
assistance, for example wheelchair users, including the time needed to make sure
the wheelchair is in the right position and safely secured
• You should not stop on taxi ranks, even when picking up or dropping off passengers
• If there are waiting or parking restrictions, you cannot stop for longer than is needed
for the passenger to get in or out of the vehicle. (There is no general permission
that allows you to leave your vehicle to help a passenger to or from a building.
However, some councils understand and accept that this is an important part of
your job. If your passenger needs help, you should spend only a short time away
from your vehicle, if possible, and make a note of the passenger’s details/booking,
just in case you get a Penalty Charge Notice (PCN). It will be down to the council
who issued the PCN to decide whether to accept this evidence and cancel the PCN

Extracts from TFL Handbook for Private hire vehicles and drivers:
https://content.tfl.gov.uk/phv-driver-handbook-v1.pdf

Date of Notice 19/12/2024
PCN: BY97177686
Vehicle: DK18 FFV
WWW.BROMLEY.GOV.UK/PARKING

I am a PCO driver authorised by TFL and drive a authorised PHV. I stopped at the bus stop to pick up a couple of customers and exited the bus stop without continuing on the bus stop.
Although I have done this many times I have never received a PCN until now. And I have now received 2 in the same month one from Bexley Council and this one from Bromley council.

The penalty is £55 if paid early.

Help me understand whether I have a chance to beat these PCN's.
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