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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Hornsey Road / Fairbridge Road - No Right Turn
« on: November 07, 2025, 07:40:19 pm »
Is it legal for the no right turn to be signposted on the left hand side considering in the UK we drive on the right hand side - This is a pure trap

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Hornsey Road / Fairbridge Road - No Right Turn
« on: November 07, 2025, 03:56:18 pm »

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Hornsey Road / Fairbridge Road - No Right Turn
« on: November 07, 2025, 03:54:00 pm »
The problem is the no right turn is on the left lamp post so its missed when you are looking out for ppeople and other cars

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Hornsey Road / Fairbridge Road - No Right Turn
« on: November 07, 2025, 01:40:31 pm »
Hi all,

I’ve received a PCN from Islington Council for failing to comply with a “No Right Turn” sign at the junction of Hornsey Road and Fairbridge Road (N19).

I’ve reviewed the location on Street View and in the council’s evidence stills, and it seems both “No Right Turn” signs (diagram 612) are positioned on the left-hand side only — one slightly before the junction and another a few metres ahead, both mounted on lampposts on the same side.
There is no corresponding sign on the right-hand side of the carriageway or on the central island.

From a driver’s position in the centre/right lane, visibility of those signs can be poor — especially if there’s a bus or large vehicle in the nearside lane.

Evidence

Council’s own stills show both signs on the left only.

Google Street View: https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5686975,-0.1235456,3a,75y,159.86h,86.1t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s29Y8rQt0wRG9lxoHTl5ZZQ!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D3.9047975456189903%26panoid%3D29Y8rQt0wRG9lxoHTl5ZZQ%26yaw%3D159.85966943740917!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MTEwNC4xIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

PCN video shows my car turning right into Fairbridge Road.

Grounds I’m considering

The signage does not comply with the Traffic Signs Manual (Chapter 3, para 4.18), which says that where a “No Right Turn” sign is provided on the left, a duplicate should normally be provided on the right-hand side or central refuge if the restriction might not be clearly visible from all lanes.

Therefore, the signage was not adequate to give proper notice to a reasonably observant motorist as required by the TSRGD 2016.

🧩 Questions

Has this junction (Hornsey Rd → Fairbridge Rd) been discussed before or taken to the tribunal?

Has anyone won an appeal at this location due to signage being on one side only?

Would it strengthen my case to cite examples where adjudicators accepted similar arguments (e.g. single-sided “no turn” signage)?

Any help or references to past cases much appreciated!

Thanks in advance,


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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Barnet PCN Whilst Paying For Parking
« on: April 28, 2025, 09:53:56 am »
Their reply was in the photo attached - Appeal denied

Either I pay 40 or wait and take to tribunal and then pay 80. 

I did not continue with the parking after I got the ticket - The enforcement officer basically hides in a shop window and then puts the ticket on the window

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN for being 40 cm in yellow box
« on: April 28, 2025, 07:41:48 am »
The video was put here https://youtu.be/AwCfPx-R000

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Barnet PCN Whilst Paying For Parking
« on: April 27, 2025, 08:37:10 am »
I park the car and get out - I walk five metres to see the board to get the phone number and parking location code.  This is at 11:56AM

I call the number to pay at 11:57 and try and enter my card details

At 11:59 I see the enforcement offer at my car and approach him -

I see the ticket on windscreen and try and explain to him but he is not interested

I have proof I was on the phone to Barnet pay at 11:57

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Barnet PCN Whilst Paying For Parking
« on: April 26, 2025, 07:38:01 pm »
I was at the car looking at the code to put in phone and the enforcement officer was hiding before putting ticket on taking a picture and walking away before I could grab him

When I saw him he didnt engage and walked away

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / PCN for being 40 cm in yellow box
« on: April 26, 2025, 05:01:32 pm »
This is pure explotation by the council

Is the blue car at fault for being a little in the yelloe box?  This is atrap - I appealed it as follows

As you will be aware, a box junction contravention only occurs if a vehicle HAS TO [my emphasis] stop within the box junction due to the presence of stationary vehicles. Put another way, if there is sufficient room to exit the box junction (often referred to as the exit being clear) then no contravention is committed even if a vehicle stops with a part of the vehicle within the box junction. In this instance, having reviewed the footage there was 40 cm of space in front of the vehicle to accommodate my vehicle.  My vehicle (a mini) is small and on this basis there was clearly sufficient room for my vehicle to completely pass through the box junction.  Accordingly I didn't have to stop within the box junction (the vehicle only did so as the driver was under a misapprehension they had already fully cleared the junction).

Should you reject these representations please confirm that you have carefully considered (and understood!) my point above by explaining the basis for your belief that there was not space for my vehicle (space beyond the box junction to the car in front).  You have a duty to act fairly, and a templated statement that "the CCTV evidence confirms the vehicle entered and stopped in the box junction without ensuring that the exit was clear" without backing this statement up with precisely how this has been "confirmed" will demonstrate that you have not considered my representations in any way "carefully". The angle of the video footage, and the resulting foreshortening effect, makes it impossible to judge the distance left between my vehicle and the car in front to the necessary degree of accuracy simply from a cursory review of the video images.

Notwithstanding my main point, above, the level of incursion and brevity of the stop within the box junction is so trivial as to constitute de minimis in any event.  Please see London Tribunal decisions 2240537258 and 216036762A for guidelines of what is considered a de minimis offence (i.e. a vehicle stopping with only its back wheels on or within box junction markings, and/or only for a few seconds).


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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Barnet PCN Whilst Paying For Parking
« on: April 26, 2025, 04:53:54 pm »
Received a PCN for paying in a bay which requires paid parking. 

Appealed the PCN with screenshot of telephone evidence that I was on phone trying to pay whilst PCN was being issued but that has been rejected

Is this worth fighting?  Is there not a five minute grace window?

My evidence showed me attempiting to pay at 11:57 and the ticket was issued at 11:59 - What are my legal rights

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: TFL Rejected Appeal - One Minute Stop In Red Route Bay - Archway
« on: January 01, 2025, 02:31:36 pm »
No I am grateful to this community - I wanted to clarify the advice that is on thsi forum which is not to pay and appeal - In my view you should always pay and then appeal as its a free option.

I could have not paid and appealed and then had to pay 160

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: TFL Rejected Appeal - One Minute Stop In Red Route Bay - Archway
« on: January 01, 2025, 02:24:58 pm »
Quote from: mrmustard on January 01, 2025, 12:51:10 pm
Yes, if you win you will be refunded. It used to be the case that for appeals made during the discount period TfL would settle for 50% if they won but they don't have to and I don't know their current habit. More likely if you lose that you will have to pay the other 50% but we will find out later.

Thank you this is also my understanding which shows there is confusion on here and generally bad advice

From this appeal and there are many on tribunal (Case reference   2210379431) - Therefore the advice should be to always pay and then get the money back


The Enforcement Authority has informed me that they will not contest your appeal against the Penalty Charge Notice(s) mentioned above.

The Chief Adjudicator has therefore allowed your appeal without considering your evidence or any details of the case. You are not liable for any further charge(s) and, where appropriate, any amounts already paid will be refunded by the Enforcement Authority.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: TFL Rejected Appeal - One Minute Stop In Red Route Bay - Archway
« on: January 01, 2025, 02:21:24 pm »
If the appeal is successful and tfl do not pay I will send them a small claim for the monies

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: TFL Rejected Appeal - One Minute Stop In Red Route Bay - Archway
« on: January 01, 2025, 12:18:51 pm »
On the back of the last response I made the payment

And I am still going to lodge the appeal which if I win will cause the penalty to be reimbursed

There seems to be misinformation on this site regarding paying the penalty and then appealing (which from what I can see is allowed) versus securing the discounted rate

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: TFL Rejected Appeal - One Minute Stop In Red Route Bay - Archway
« on: January 01, 2025, 11:40:35 am »
Thank you - Are you absolutely sure?

Does it mean that appealing always means doubling the fine?  This seems unfair.

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