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@HCAnderson, I'm not used to having to fight these things, never having got one before. Is it not a matter of procedure that if they are required to put up a pair of signs, that both of those must be visible? If not, why 2 then? When a single would suffice ...

I'm not at all sure what other reasons to fight the PCN I would have, but have carried on in this process, after being encouraged to do so on here.

Apologies, my previous picture of the obscured sign is now visible, I often have trouble with this site. For instance, it will freeze up and become unable to scroll through, I'm using my phone perhaps it doesn't like that. Anyway, this is what I've written. I look forward to your thoughts, and am grateful once again:

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To whom it may concern,

I write in reference of the PCN HR76270141, that was issued on 18/12/2024, and the subsequent NTO just received yesterday, on  20/02/25.

I wish to challenge this PCN, on the basis that the restricted area is poorly sign posted, with one of the two signs at either side of the road where the PPA ZONE begins being obscured by a type of conifer tree, and this sign is only visible when just about to pass where it is located. The road narrows dramatically at this point, so much so, that cars are directed to park on the pavement, and one must pay extra attention to navigate this part of the road. A sign that is obscured until the last moment, is easily missed, there being only one in view on the left hand side could easily be taken to refer to the road that turns left at that point.

I live on the road adjacent, at ** Stanmore Hill, and would have thought residents who live less than 100 m away from this new parking arrangement would have been notified of this drastic change to the neighbourhood. I have lived here since May 2021,  but have only occasionally driven up Green Lane, and usually only do so when there are roadworks in my road. I think I've parked in Green Lane on no more than 4 occasions in that time.

The night before the PCN was issued, I did park there as I had been suffering a bout of vomiting after drinking a smoothie with spirulina powder in it. Apparently, some people are violently allergic to spirulina, and I must be one of them, as I had a nasty bout of vomiting for several hours before returning home. I thought I was recovered, but, as I drove home, I could feel the nausea rising again, and so when I did see many free spaces to park, in Green Lane, some 50m before the place I normally park in Spring Lake, I took the earliest opportunity to be out of the car.

The normal arrangement for residents bays in this area, including down the hill much closer to Stanmore Broadway where all the shops are, is that the bays are only patrolled between 3 and 4 pm, Monday to Friday. Is this portion of Green Lane zoned any differently than the rest of the roads in the area? Again, why is this change not being broadcast?

I offer that it would be reasonable to make an assumption that all resident's bays in the area, operate under the same conditions, unless there has been notification to those that live nearby, to the contrary. I have never received any such notification of a change.

This being a new type of arrangement, not commonly seen, I would have thought it only just to ensure that all are aware there is a new type of parking enforcement, especially as it's one that is not concurrent with all those that surround it."

Pic of the view of the signs further down the hill

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Very good, I'll follow your advice, and wait for the NTO. In my 40 years of driving I've never once had a parking  ticket, so have not had to engage in this process. I can see I'm in good hands, and will follow the guidance helpfully offered here.

Thank you again

Hello again,

Does that order look to be faulty in any way? I'm completely surprised to see it's been in effect since 2022,and I'm certain I will have parked there since then, again, unaware of this change.

I've just received the notice rejecting my appeal, which was expected.

So the success of any appeal does not look likely. My position is similar to the appellant, in that I rarely use the road, and have possibly parked there only 3 times in 4 years. Without knowing about the change (no other changes have been enacted in the neighbourhood) it's not difficult to make the presumption that all was as before.

So, unless there's an error in the parking order, it looks like pursuing an appeal is a waste of time.

I still find it cynical that they're allowed to say it's legal without any notifications near to where the parking is to take place.

Hi,

No, I don't have a dash cam. Not sure if it's a mitigating circumstance but that night, I was ill with suspected food poisoning. Hence just parking there and not a little further on, where I normally park. I was glad to be getting out of the car at the first opportunity.

Parking order, is that the legislation from the council? As I say parking there was not a problem before, not that I've done it very much, and certainly not for a while. The GSV showing the new signs is 8 months old, so it's been that long this new arrangement has been in place.

All other residents bays in the neighbourhood even those 500m down the hill and close to The Broadway where all the shops are, are only in operation from 3-4pm Mon to Fri. This is a completely incongruent arrangement.

I have challenged the pcn, as soon as I saw it