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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Barnet- Brent Cross Illegal right turn- Tilling RD Junction Brentfield Gardens PCN
« on: December 30, 2024, 11:22:56 pm »
It seems no help can be given, sadly I'm going to have to pay this fine...


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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Tilling RD Junction Brentfield Gardens PCN
« on: December 28, 2024, 02:08:04 pm »

Thank you

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Barnet- Brent Cross Illegal right turn- Tilling RD Junction Brentfield Gardens PCN
« on: December 28, 2024, 01:58:05 pm »
Hi all,

Sadly received a PCN like quite a few others who have also posted on this forum regarding this most annoying junction    >:( . And like many My WAZE directed me to this junction at 16:12, it was dark and I'm unfamiliar driving in this area :'( .

So I have read that this particular junction is a hotspot for Barnet to cash in money: https://www.times-series.co.uk/news/15676382.barnet-council-earns-17m-at-tilling-road-junction-over-one-year/  >:(


I have read that some people suggested arguing that TILLING ROAD is a GLA boundary, belongs to TFL:

"the road in question is a GLA road by virtue of the GLA Roads (No.3) Designation Order 2008; and that therefore written consent of the GLA is required before the Council can enforce this contravention".

The Adjudicator therefore finds in favour of Mr Strom and cancels the PCN.


One person won:  https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UEoaFM5zlMcWqDcrYp6YeUap2EfkGeJC/view Strom VS lONDON BOROUGH OF BARNET

Another person UNSUCCESFUL APPEAL: https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/barnet-pcn-for-illegal-left-turn/


My question is: Do I have a case, if I appealed would I win, should I even bother challenging as it seems mixed results in winning    :-\

Any help/ advise appreciated,  :)
Thank you Amy

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Barnet - PCN for illegal left turn
« on: December 28, 2024, 01:28:31 pm »
Hi all

I also received the PCN, is there no point to challenge it then seeing as they won't accept GLA boundary as a good enough reason?

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN for illegal left turn
« on: December 28, 2024, 01:20:25 pm »
Quote from: sideadder on September 02, 2024, 09:14:32 pm
Today I received a PCN for this same offence - letter looks the same to the original post.

Given the successful outcome for ashirusnw and cp8759, is there any advice you can give for what to write to Barnet in terms of representations?

Thanks in advance

Hi did you pay or appeal?

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN for illegal left turn
« on: December 28, 2024, 01:18:59 pm »
Hello!

I received a PCN for the exact contravention. If I were to appeal, Do I write this:


NORTH CIRCULAR ROAD (A406) OFF SLIP ROAD, the south side from a point 3 metres south-west of the extended north easternmost building line of Garden Court Hotel, Tilling Road to its roundabout junction with the unnamed M1 Motorway slip roads

All of Tilling Road is a GLA road. This being the case, the borough cannot enforce without the prior written consent of Transport for London (which they won't have because they won't have bothered reading the legislation).

Here are a few cases won on this point:

William Samuel v London Borough of Lewisham (2220837736, 13 December 2022)
Commercial Plant Services Ltd v London Borough of Lambeth (2230127577, 15 March 2023)
Maurice Luftig v London Borough of Hackney (2230151491, 15 April 2023)
Robert Greens v London Borough of Lewisham (2230366024, 11 September 2023)

Thank you for your help!

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