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Thanks for your answers. I will make the payment.

I didn't know I could ask for a temporary permit and I was never offered one.

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The Council has now offered to pay a reduced £65 on this occasion, taking the circumstances into account.

Judging by what has been said here, it looks like I should take the offer.

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I also assume the fact that they replied with some generic response without addressing any of my points means nothing?

I had a reply to the challenge from another council and it was much more formal, detailed and delivered by post in time.

So, basically, not responding to the NTO killed every of my arguments? This is ridiculous if so.

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You are correct that I didn't read the full content of the PCN, as I did nothing wrong parking in front of my new house after making every attempt to obtain the resident's permit.

I am not sure I have the original PCN. As I explained, this wasn't my priority at the time, as we just purchased the property and I spent months renovating it. It could have been misplaced during the move. This is also the reason didn't update the V5C at that point, as we didn't move to the new house yet. I owned both properties and was preparing the house for the move by coming in daily and doing work. This is a unique set of circumstances.

The new address was provided when I submitted the challenge, as I naively thought it would help my case and illustrate once again that I, in fact, reside at that address. I didn't realise that paying a council tax and mortgage on the house doesn't make you a resident according to the council.

The 56 days does apply to my initial challenge, as can be seen in the screenshot attached.

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So the correct timeline is as follows:

14 October - yellow PCN issued
21 October - informal appeal submitted to the council (confirmation received)
22 October - they supposedly issue the rejection (not received)
18 November - NTO
19 December - charge certificate

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The NTO was on 18 November I'd assume, although I did state October in my original post. I will double check when I'm home.

So the fact that I have done anything possible and was actively trying to apply for the resident's permit and denied means nothing? I explained all of that in my informal appeal, asked to consider the circumstances that we just purchased the property and I want to have the permit etc. Instead their rejection letter that I never received until today states I should apply for a permit.

I don't feel like I should pay that penalty at all. Let alone beg for a reduced charge.

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Understood. Will take it into my own hands.

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So what is the recommendation with what I have? Pay the £195?

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How about the fact that the NtO and Charge Certificate were issued to my old address and the rejection letter I shared a copy of has my new address in it?

They refused to provide me with the resident's permit, as I couldn't confirm the new address but "send" their rejection to the new address. This is ridiculous.

Is begging for a discount the best possible advice? I have experience of successfully defending my rights against a PCN in court and could do it again with a little help.

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Is this really the only option?

What a disaster. Shall I consider going to court?

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Thanks! It doesn't sound too good then.

And yes, I did not understand the process, as I was patiently waiting for their response to my informal appeal.


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They have just emailed me a copy of the rejection letter.


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I am seeking help regarding Penalty Charge Notice issued on 14 October 2024 to my car parked outside the house in accordance with the signage (partially on the footway), for failing to display a valid resident's parking permit outside my property.

I initially submitted an informal PCN appeal to the Council on 21 October 2024, explaining that I am the new property owner and that my wife had applied for a resident's permit on my behalf three times, but each application was rejected due to the vehicle being registered at a different address, where we are currently residing and renovating our new property. I have been actively seeking the permit for the new address and have provided the relevant rejection correspondence as evidence. We could not obtain a permit due to the car registered and insured at our old address, where it would normally be parked at the time.

After not receiving a formal response to my initial challenge the NtO was issued on 18 October for the increased £130 from the council, which I ignored thinking it was a clerical error, as they were still within their 56 days to respond. On 19 December a Charge Certificate was issued for £195, which I followed up with them on 23 December 2024 (today) via telephone. The council informed me that they sent a rejection letter on 22 October 2024, but I have not received it. The contents of the letter that were read to me over the phone seemed like a generic response, which did not address the specific points raised in my original appeal.

Following this phone conversation, I have sent an email to the council parking enforcement requesting a copy of of their rejection letter, as well as my original appeal.

What steps should I take and do I have a chance of getting this PCN cancelled or winning the tribunal or court?

Thank you!

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