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Hi Hippocrates,

Provisional draft as follows, would appreciate you casting your eye over it and any comments, additions or deletions from yourself would be welcome etc

Dear Sirs,

1. The PCN does not particularise which vehicles therefore does not establish any grounds for the alleged contravention to have taken place.

2. Similarly, neither does the video support your allegation.

3. Upon entering High Path from Merantun Way the white road sign which is immediately in front of you only shows that there are 2 width restrictions and a dead end in place no mention of Authorised vehicles only, to the right of this sign you use non-regulatory signs namely, blue-backed information boards referencing road names, which are of no assistance to motorists unacquainted with street names or the whereabouts of those streets in the area.
There are regulatory signs available to give this type of advance notification.
The regulatory width restriction signs encourage the perception that vehicles, other than those prohibited by dimension, may proceed, there are not any no through road signs in place as you enter the width restriction area, furthermore the Abbey Road street name sign is hardly visible to the right low down and partially obscured by width restriction bollard whilst navigating the width restriction.

4. The PCN is missing mandatory information as provided at Para. 4 (8) (v) of

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukla/2003/3/section/4/enacted

(v) that if the penalty charge is not paid before the end of the 28 day period, an increased charge may be payable.


Clearly, this refers to Para. 4 (8) (iii):

(iii) that the penalty charge must be paid before the end of the period of 28 days beginning with the date of the notice;

Therefore, it follows that the statement: "If you fail to pay the Penalty Charge or make representations before the end of a period of 28 days beginning with the date of service of this notice an increased charge of £240 may be payable” adds to the lack of clarity by its omission. Even on its own, whether the required information was included or not, it is also arguable that it conflates the two periods using the word "or" which many would view as being conjunctive. Furthermore, even if the statement were to be interpreted disjunctively, there is still no clarity due to the missing information. So, it follows that it cannot possibly be interpreted disjunctively.

In light of the above, please cancel the PCN.

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Hi Hippocrates,

not sure if you have managed to draft a full representation as yet?

As the 14 day appeal period will be up on the 19/08/26

many thanks again

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Hi Incandescent,

I knew about the width restriction as had previously driven through there long before the new LTN restriction, I was more concerned in lining car up to make sure of not causing any damage etc, so that was main focus of my attention and I missed the signs.

The blue sign as you enter off Merantun Way states Abbey Rd & Pincott Rd closed which is assuming you know the names of the roads, the Abbey Rd sign is low down and situated on the right beside the width restriction, which you wouldn't really be looking at as driving through the width restriction.

The geographic layout sign on the left of the blue sign shows a dead end to the right of the width restriction which is Station Rd, that could easily be interpreted as being the closed road if you are unfamiliar with the local road names etc?

I can see from the forum there are at least 2 other live cases regarding the same stretch of road and alleged offences etc

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Hi all looking for some advice and assistance please?

Previously used this road but not since the restriction came into place, I was on way to A&E at St Georges after being told to attend immediately by my Doctor.

Coming round the left hand bend in road you are faced with a 7 foot width restriction and you're making sure you are lined up to get through safely etc.

By the time you see the restriction sign if you notice it you're already committed etc

Not made any appeal yet, only viewed the evidence online etc

See copy of both sides of PCN notice as attached.

https://imgpile.com/m/nZFbQmS

Google maps location dated before restriction in place.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/aNRGC2iPFMYXwGix5

Pics taken recently of area

https://imgpile.com/p/15rvI3z

Thanks in advance

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Private parking tickets / Re: DCB Legal - UKPC - N1SDT now arrived
« on: June 27, 2025, 11:45:13 am »
On Thursday 26/06/25 I found tucked away in my Spam folder an email dated 23/06/25 from a DCB paralegal.

N279 Notice Of Discontinuance  ;D

No comment or any text just the PDF attached.

Nothing updated on MCOL site as yet.

Big thanks to @b789 for their assistance and expertise in getting this result.

Stick with the guys and their advice as even though it takes a while it comes good in the end.

Thanks again guys  :)

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Private parking tickets / Re: DCB Legal - UKPC - N1SDT now arrived
« on: June 09, 2025, 11:00:08 am »
Yes. The St Helens hearing would be a telephone hearing if it were to go ahead. Check the allocation order you received. Does it mention anything about requiring to provide your contact phone number a couple of days before the hearing date?

Morning b789, bullet point 3 on Notice of Allocation states.

3.Both parties must supply to the Court by 4.00pm two working days before the hearingdate, by email/letter, the contact number upon which they can be contacted. The email advising the court of contact telephone numbers must state in the title the case number and the date of the hearing.

Thanks  :)

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Private parking tickets / Re: DCB Legal - UKPC - N1SDT now arrived
« on: June 04, 2025, 12:39:39 pm »
DCB Legal offering to settle for a reduced amount is the usual precursor to their discontinuing the claim. I would suggest you save your £15 and just let it run its course to the inevitable N259 NoD.

Thanks for advice b789, just so as I'm 100% clear

Just leave things as they are with the court at St Helens and hope that claimant backs down before hearing?

Thanks again  :)

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Private parking tickets / Re: DCB Legal - UKPC - N1SDT now arrived
« on: June 03, 2025, 10:21:14 am »
Update I called court yesterday 02/06/25 to ask why no response to my emails or my previous call, I didn't disclose I had received letter confirming hearing date & time in St Helens.

They also said that due to copying in multiple emails that some departments would think the others had dealt with it, and it may not have been actioned, but they still had a few more days within their timescale to respond to email?

They also basically stated judge had looked at case & decided St Helens was where it was being heard, though they did say to try and get an amendment via N244 but could not guarantee this would be successful etc.

This was the route I decided to go down over the weekend.

This morning 03/06/25 I received an email from DCB saying their client would settle for full and final settlement upon payment of £100

I have not acknowledged this or made any contact with them as per your previous advices etc.

So plan is to complete N244 and pay £15 and see how that goes, I will await your further advice if this is still relevant after reading the above.

Thanks again  :)

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Private parking tickets / Re: DCB Legal - UKPC - N1SDT now arrived
« on: May 31, 2025, 10:08:22 pm »
Thanks for updated advice, will give it some thought over weekend on best option to proceed with.  :)

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Private parking tickets / Re: DCB Legal - UKPC - N1SDT now arrived
« on: May 31, 2025, 03:52:01 pm »
Why telephone?
Did your N180 DQ specify in-person and why?
And still Saint Helens.

It still looks like a complete ****-up by the courts.

Emailed & Telephoned as advised.

N180 DQ specified in person and reason as below

I wish to question the Claimant about their evidence at a
hearing in person and to expose omissions and any
misleading or incorrect evidence or assertions.
Given the Claimant is a firm who complete cut & paste
parking case paperwork for a living, having this case heard
solely on papers would appear to put the Claimant at an
unfair advantage, especially as they would no doubt prefer
the Defendant not to have the opportunity to expose the
issues in the Claimants template submissions or speak as
the only true witness to events in question.

And still St Helens even though local court to myself was requested, looks like they haven't done anything in response to my email or telephone call!

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Private parking tickets / Re: DCB Legal - UKPC - N1SDT now arrived
« on: May 31, 2025, 03:25:24 pm »
So no replies to emails as of today 31/05/25

Letter received today as attached.

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Private parking tickets / Re: DCB Legal - UKPC - N1SDT now arrived
« on: April 28, 2025, 04:23:55 pm »
That's positive. Did you also get a promise that they'll confirm in writing?
No promises but hopefully, they will when they respond to email once read etc

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Private parking tickets / Re: DCB Legal - UKPC - N1SDT now arrived
« on: April 28, 2025, 03:41:57 pm »
Just finished call to CNBC after 40 minute wait, they agreed it should not have been allocated to St Helens and they will start the procedure to get case transferred to my local court, case file had not been sent to St Helens yet they said.

email will be dealt with when they get to it etc

Thanks again


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Private parking tickets / Re: DCB Legal - UKPC - N1SDT now arrived
« on: April 28, 2025, 02:30:12 pm »
Hi b789,

Email has now been sent to all addresses as per your advice, generic Automated responses received.

Your message wasn't delivered to customerservicesnorth@justice.gov.uk because the address couldn't be found or is unable to receive email.

Happy to call CNBC up also, if you think it's advisable etc?


Thanks again  8)

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