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Hey Team - I just want to say thank you for all the advice given me and your time .
The Vale Of Glamorgan cancelled both charges following the letter I sent based on your recommendations
I thought it important that you get the feedback and the appreciation back .
See Below
Re: Notice of acceptance of Representations – Traffic Management Act
2004
PCN No : VG20959955
Date Issued : 23/11/2024 13:55:26
Location of Contravention : HOOD ROAD, BARRY
I am in receipt of your representations and after consideration of the
circumstances can confirm that the Penalty Charge Notice has now been
cancelled.
Please note: This decision applies to this Penalty Charge Notice and
Contravention only. Each appeal is assessed on its own merit and does not set
any precedent for the success of any other appeal.
Yours sincerely
L Jones
pp
for WPPP

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You need to answer Mr Anderson's query - was your brother getting in or out of the car as you've given us both options...

So in short - My brother was getting into the car (boarding) but because of the severity of the downpour he was waiting in the doorway of the apartment until I pulled up.

To expand- both scenarios happened ( timings obviously different) but both scenarios were not captured by the CCTV!  The scenario that I have included in my most recent post is the one which I have been fined for. This reflects us going to an event.

The other scenario was us coming back from the event.

The pictures helped me to establish which scenario was captured on CCTV - I apologise if it did not make sense from start. :)
I have also requested the video footage too.

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You should say the passenger is your brother and you know his needs well.

The draft looks OK although you are presumably stating the times you did things based on their PCN timing?

Their pictures don't show anyone boarding - you could ask for the video for the second one but with these drive by PCNs they often don't show exempt activity that would have been seen by a CEO on foot. That's their fault.

Thanks this has been really helpful.
Yes I am basing the timings on the PCN times shown.

Should I include the medical evidence and a picture of him on his crutches ?

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* UPDATE*
I requested pictures and this has helped to remind me of the events specific to the times.

Pictures 13:55  https://drive.google.com/file/d/142A24n_Gk5c9rKDnDR-4l4NmSh3B4t0C/view?usp=drive_link

Pictures 13:57  https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LFyuHSRAnFAuUDV4PCo_xxW-1tM1Mi5r/view?usp=drive_link

I can also attach in my case - doctors evidence of my passenger's condition if required.

My Draft for your review please :

PCN VG20959955 & VG20959966 – Contravention Code 02J
[name ]
[address]
Challenge made due to The contraventions did not occur owing to exempt activity .
I stopped on Hood Road in Barry in the rainy storms of 23rd November ‘24 for the purpose of allowing my passenger to board the car directly from his apartment front door. He was unable to walk without the aid of Crutches.

Initially I stopped outside Goodsheds apartments #5, Hood Road  Ref https://maps.app.goo.gl/KHGk6ZssHeiJDTRh7  at 13:55 with my hazards on, drivers side alongside the kerb so that my passenger could board the car.
Due to the intensity of the rain and the passenger stating that he was not physically able to walk with crutches off the kerb to walk around the car to enter the front passenger seat, I was told to turn the car around.

After 1min, I proceeded to drive down Hood Road, safely turn the car around and come back up Hood Road to a slowly stop outside the Goodsheds Apartment #9 Hood Road at 13:57
I remained in the car with my hazard lights on for 2 minutes whilst my passenger boarded the front passenger side of the car from his apartment door with the aid of his crutches.
Once he had got in I immediately and safely drove away from the location.

Subsequently I received 2 PCNs both for the same contravention of 02J – “Parked or loading/unloading in a restricted street where waiting and loading/unloading restrictions are in force.”
I received 2 posted PCNs, one timed at 13:55 and the other at 13:57 showing my car at the two locations where I stopped.

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Thanks Stamfordman.
I shall write it and email it to them .

Here is my Draft :

PCN VG20959955 & VG20959966 – Contravention Code 02J
[name ]
[address]
Challenge made due to The contraventions did not occur owing to exempt activity

I stopped on Hood Road in Barry in the rainy storms of 23rd November ‘24 for the purpose of alighting a passenger to the apartment where he was residing. He was unable to walk without the aid of Crutches.
Initially I stopped outside Goodsheds apartments #5, Hood Road  Ref https://maps.app.goo.gl/KHGk6ZssHeiJDTRh7  at 13:55 to alight my passenger.
This was the closest I could get to a parking bay. At which point my passenger told me he could not walk with his crutches the extra 35 metres to his apartment.
I therefore waited for a clear gap in the traffic in front of me and ensured there was no traffic immediately coming from behind. After 1min I moved 35 metres, with my left indicator on kerbside, further along the road to outside the Goodsheds Apartment #9 Hood Road.
I remained in the car with the engine running for 2 minutes whilst my passenger alighted and got himself out of the car with his crutches and stepped out immediately to his front door.
Once he had got out I immediately and safely drove away from the location.
Subsequently I received 2 PCNs both for the same contravention of 02J – “Parked or loading/unloading in a restricted street where waiting and loading/unloading restrictions are in force.”
I received 2 posted PCNs, one timed at 13:55 and the other at 13:57 showing my car at the two locations where I stopped.

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Video and images don't seem to be online on their website. You could ask for videos. But the alighting exemption must succeed here.

Note that they accept representations only by mail, fax and email - use email.

Best draft something and post here first.

Thanks -The postal PCN states that the response must be sent to the postal address and in writing.
Also on the form heading " Challenging the Penalty Charge " the choice from relevant options to tick:
(1) that the contravention did not occur
(2) The the Vehicle was hired at the time of the contravention....
(3) That the enforcement authority did not follow correct procedure in issuing the PCN
(4) That the Traffic Regulation order under which PCN was issued was invalid
(5) That there are other compelling reasons why the PCN should be cancelled

I am going to select option 5 and outline what I have said in the previous post ...Okay ?

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The CCTV car traveled past me when I stopped first . Then after |I had moved up the road , The CCTV had finished his circuit turned around and then headed back past me, this time from behind, on Hood Road. 

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Thanks for the guidance . Here is my account with viewable links:

Links to the PCNs are now available for public viewing :
letter 2 :
front https://drive.google.com/file/d/1b8iXQo60T3UKyvPeRnyC_mhdIN6EcqEz/view?usp=drive_link
back https://drive.google.com/file/d/1v5iswmywXSirNzDLzuVqOKtDSurvsfdA/view?usp=drive_link

Letter 1 :
front https://drive.google.com/file/d/1AySG3CIpG8gO3npihLsVAM2M_KoyTO5n/view?usp=drive_link
back https://drive.google.com/file/d/1AySG3CIpG8gO3npihLsVAM2M_KoyTO5n/view?usp=drive_link

I stopped on Hood Road in Barry in the rainy storms of 23rd November ‘24 for the purpose of dropping of my brother to the apartment where he was residing. He was unable to walk without the aid of Crutches.
Initially I stopped outside Goodsheds apartments #5, Hood Road  Ref https://maps.app.goo.gl/KHGk6ZssHeiJDTRh7  at 13:55. This was the closest I could get to a parking bay. At which point my brother told me he could not walk with his crutches the extra 35 metres to his apartment.
I therefore waited for a clear gap in the traffic in front of me and ensured there was no traffic immediately coming from behind. After 1min I moved 35 metres, with my left indicator on kerbside, further along the road to outside the Goodsheds Apartment #9 Hood Road.

I remained in the car with the engine running for 2 minutes whilst my brother got himself out of the car with his crutches and stepped out immediately to his front door.
Once he had got out I immediately and safely drove away from the location.

Subsequently I received 2 PCNs both for the same contravention of 02J – “Parked or loading/unloading in a restricted street where waiting and loading/unloading restrictions are in force.”
I received 2 posted PCNs, one timed at 13:55 and the other at 13:57 showing my car at the two locations where I stopped.

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I was observed by mobile unit to park /unload in a restricted street where waiting and unloading restrictions in force . I have 2 PCNs issued 2 mins apart!! I remember the car driving past one way then coming back again the other way. I was on the same road outside the residential apartment we were staying at to allow my family member who was temp disabled with crutches and could not walk more than a 10 yards to his holiday apartment.

Is it valid for Vale of Glamorgan council to issue 2 PCNs for the same incident on the same street within 2 mins of each other?
NB I had stopped initially to locate the correct door for 30 seconds then moved 20 yrds up the street to the correct door so that my family member could access his front door.

Do I have an appeal case for dropping my family member outside his place of residence because there was no other means of dropping him off? ( all parking bays were full )

Time was 13:55

I have been issued the letters and its 10 days after the letter was issued . Help ?

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