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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Enfield PCN Code 27 - dropped kerb
« on: February 12, 2025, 09:18:18 pm »
Hi guys
Today, with the assistance of Mr Mustard, I have won the case! The adjudicator ordered the council to refund £265 (£200 for the towing and £65 for the PCN, which they took on the day they removed the car).
As I was curious, I attended the hearing today and watched the responses of the adjudicator to the presented evidence. The adjudicator's first response was: "not an obvious dropped kerb, is it?"
Mr Mustard then presented my first appeal ground: the PCN was not served. Mr Mustard showed the council's photo with my car and the empty plastic wallet on it. The plastic wallet looked as flat as a 'pancake' as Mr Mustard described it.
Mr Mustard then showed him the PCN that I was handed at the car pound, which did not have any crease at all, indicating that it was not placed in the plastic wallet before they removed my car. The adjudicator asked whether I was served the PCN and I said no as the car was not there when I came back. I didn't know why they had towed away my car until I collected the PCN by hand at the car pound.
They had basically put the empty plastic wallet on the car just for the 'photo' effect without putting the PCN in it at all. This itsef was sufficient for the adjudicator to conclude that the PCN was not served. Within seconds the adjudicator noticed this, he said: "Procedural impropriety. Appeal allowed. The council should refund £265".
After Mr Mustard instructed him, the adjudicator also compared 'the PCN which the tribunal received from the council' and 'the one that I was given by hand at the car pound', which were not same. Mr Mustard helped the adjudicator notice this by comparing the two of them. The adjudicator looked surprised when he noticed this and asked us to give him a copy of my PCN for their own records. The tribunal staff took a copy of it and stamped it to say that they received it.
Within 10 minutes after I attended the hearing, the adjudicator made his decision and allowed the appeal. He did not even think that it was necessary for us to present the other evidence about the council's other wrongdoings, which included:
1) serving an out-of-date notice regarding appeal rights;
2) road conditions (i.e. the dropped kerb was hidden under water in a flooded section of the road);
3) no signs/lines put by the council to alert motorists that there is a hidden dropped kerb there
4) disproportionate action of towing the car rather than only issuing a PCN on a quiet residential road (they towed away my car because it was parked next to a hidden dropped kerb under water)
All in all, it was quite fun to watch the responses of the adjudicator to the evidence presented by Mr Mustard. Many thanks to Mr Mustard for his efforts to prove our points about the council's wrongdoings.
I hope others will do the same and present councils' wrong practices to adjudicators to stop councils abusing their position on motorists.
Good luck to others...
Today, with the assistance of Mr Mustard, I have won the case! The adjudicator ordered the council to refund £265 (£200 for the towing and £65 for the PCN, which they took on the day they removed the car).
As I was curious, I attended the hearing today and watched the responses of the adjudicator to the presented evidence. The adjudicator's first response was: "not an obvious dropped kerb, is it?"
Mr Mustard then presented my first appeal ground: the PCN was not served. Mr Mustard showed the council's photo with my car and the empty plastic wallet on it. The plastic wallet looked as flat as a 'pancake' as Mr Mustard described it.
Mr Mustard then showed him the PCN that I was handed at the car pound, which did not have any crease at all, indicating that it was not placed in the plastic wallet before they removed my car. The adjudicator asked whether I was served the PCN and I said no as the car was not there when I came back. I didn't know why they had towed away my car until I collected the PCN by hand at the car pound.
They had basically put the empty plastic wallet on the car just for the 'photo' effect without putting the PCN in it at all. This itsef was sufficient for the adjudicator to conclude that the PCN was not served. Within seconds the adjudicator noticed this, he said: "Procedural impropriety. Appeal allowed. The council should refund £265".
After Mr Mustard instructed him, the adjudicator also compared 'the PCN which the tribunal received from the council' and 'the one that I was given by hand at the car pound', which were not same. Mr Mustard helped the adjudicator notice this by comparing the two of them. The adjudicator looked surprised when he noticed this and asked us to give him a copy of my PCN for their own records. The tribunal staff took a copy of it and stamped it to say that they received it.
Within 10 minutes after I attended the hearing, the adjudicator made his decision and allowed the appeal. He did not even think that it was necessary for us to present the other evidence about the council's other wrongdoings, which included:
1) serving an out-of-date notice regarding appeal rights;
2) road conditions (i.e. the dropped kerb was hidden under water in a flooded section of the road);
3) no signs/lines put by the council to alert motorists that there is a hidden dropped kerb there
4) disproportionate action of towing the car rather than only issuing a PCN on a quiet residential road (they towed away my car because it was parked next to a hidden dropped kerb under water)
All in all, it was quite fun to watch the responses of the adjudicator to the evidence presented by Mr Mustard. Many thanks to Mr Mustard for his efforts to prove our points about the council's wrongdoings.
I hope others will do the same and present councils' wrong practices to adjudicators to stop councils abusing their position on motorists.
Good luck to others...