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Private parking tickets / Re: 481 Green Lanes CUP Enforcement
« on: March 07, 2025, 02:05:03 pm »
Correction RKs response was 07/03 (today) not 07/02 - typo.

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Private parking tickets / Re: 481 Green Lanes CUP Enforcement
« on: March 07, 2025, 02:02:20 pm »
The following submission to POPLA was made by operator CUP on 28/02.

RK responded to POPLA on 07/02 that they never received original NtK as alleged, only the reminder a month later. And that if they wanted to enforce parking in that particular area they should have painted and delineated clear parking bays. FYI

Operator Name
Close Unit Protection - EW
Operator Case Summary
PCN Details •   Parking Operator:       CUP Enforcement •   PCN number:         34141 •   Method of issue:      PoFA Notice to Keeper          •   VRM:                            •   Date of contravention:    05/11/2024 •   Date notice sent:      08/11/2024 •   Location:          481 Green Lanes •   Reason for issue:       Unauthorised parking/not on the white list. Parking Policy: CUP Enforcement has an agreement in place with their client, the proprietor of the location. A copy has been enclosed in the latter part of the evidence pack, along with the site map. This is a rolling contract and is currently valid. The parking area is private property and is monitored by cameras. Any vehicles found parked on the private property unauthorised/not on the white list, and in breach of the T&Cs as stated in the car park signage will incur a charge. Case Summary ●   The vehicle was observed parked unauthorised and unlisted on 05/11/2024 at the site. Photographic evidence was captured on the day. The officer checked the list of allowed vehicles for the private land and the vehicle was unauthorised and not listed. ●   As the vehicle was parked in breach of the parking terms and conditions, a Parking Charge Notice (PCN) was issued to the registered keeper of the vehicle by post on 08/11/2024 ●   A reminder was issued on 09/12/2024. ●   A final demand was issued on 23/12/2024. ●   A manual appeal dated 12/12/2024, was received from the keeper on 04/01/2025 wherein the appellant claimed she did not receive the initial notice, and cited PoFA 2012. No evidence was submitted to support the appeal, or of authorisation from the operator to use the site. ●   The evidence confirms the following: o   A PoFA Notice to Keeper was issued o   System records confirm the initial notice was issued in line with PoFA 2012 o   The keeper was confirmed o   There was adequate signage at the location o   Contact information was on the signage at 481 Green Lanes o   The location is private property o   The vehicle was unauthorised o   The vehicle’s VRM was not registered on the exemption list o   photographic evidence confirmed the vehicle was indeed parked on the private land o   CUP Enforcement has a rolling contract with the landlord o   CUP Enforcement is BPA compliant ●   The appeal was rejected for the reasons listed above and also due to the fact that the appellant failed to submit any evidence of authorisation. ●   On 23/01/2025, a reminder was issued after the appeal rejection. ●   On 06/02/2025, a final demand was issued after the appeal rejection and reminder. ●   Within their POPLA, the keeper again confirmed her identity, and again submitted no evidence of authority form the parking operator to use the parking space. The driver had the opportunity to observe the signage, nevertheless chose to use private land. A stationary vehicle is classed as a parked vehicle. The location is restricted for use by those authorised to use the location. Authorisation is confirmed by the presence of VRMs on the list for the site. The vehicle was not exempt. The signage states the terms and conditions at the location which was present on all signage for the interests of the driver. Contact information was displayed, however none was made. A copy of the signage is included in this evidence pack. The charge was £100, reduced and held at £60 for 14 days to allow for early payment and a further 14 days further to the appeal response. The charge now stands at £140. This parking contravention occurred on private land, the contract formed is between the motorist and the parking operator. It is the responsibility of the motorist to ensure they have sought out, read and complied with the parking operator’s terms and conditions, which are stated on the signage. CUP can conclude that the driver disregarded the terms, failed to follow their duty as a motorist and failed to follow the instructions required for correctly parking their vehicle. The motorist therefore failed to fulfil their obligations in this instance. CUP has a legal right to issue PCNs and have been entrusted by the landlord with the responsibility to carry out enforcement when motorists are in breach of the terms and conditions communicated on all signboards on CUP patrolled sites. As the vehicle was parked unauthorised and unlisted, within a restricted area in breach of the terms in place at the site; adequate signage which highlighted the conditions for use of the land was present; a PoFA was issued, the keeper’s identity was confirmed, and submitted no evidence to support cancellation of the charge, we stand by the decision to issue the PCN and request the refusal of the appeal. Please see the uploaded items for images, and the evidence pack complete with supporting documents.



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Private parking tickets / Re: 481 Green Lanes CUP Enforcement
« on: March 03, 2025, 03:52:07 pm »
As advised RK appealed to POPLA on 7th February , which they acknowledged.

As far as RK can see no response from the Opertor since then .

Are they now officially time barred , given it's 3rd March now ?

Screenshot of POPLA status page below.

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Appeal successful,  thank you. Your advice has been invaluable. Do you need a copy of the decision ?

Donation to the Hospice on its way.

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I have been toing and froing with Barnet for several months now.

My hearing is set for this Sat 22nd Feb.

I have told them numerous times that this has already been adjudicated in the Appelants favour several times already and sent them all the 4 case references you sent me a while back. I also told the Adjudicator the matter has already been decided.

Not only that Barnet have removed the old sign, put a much larger one in a more prominent position.

I mailed a copy of this to Barnet imploring them to drop it and yet they just sent their brief/case to the Adjudicator last week.

Not only that they wrote to me to say that the sign was compliant in size and location two weeks after the matter was adjudicated against them.

I really don't want to go in anymore on Saturday.  How many times has this been adjudicated in the A's favour now all together? Can you send me the references please.

Can't I take any action against Barnet for their reckless and deceitful conduct ?

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Private parking tickets / Re: 481 Green Lanes CUP Enforcement
« on: February 10, 2025, 06:26:34 pm »
All well noted. Thank you. I will revert
 

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Private parking tickets / Re: 481 Green Lanes CUP Enforcement
« on: February 10, 2025, 01:51:45 pm »
So in response to the email appeal I sent by pdf attachment on 05/02 headed Formal Complaint which you kindly drafted, they have sent RK the attached email, screenshot below, confirming the right to appeal.

Slightly confused are they not saying that is not an appeal period se?

Does RK just have to resend the same Complaint letter as an Appeal now?

Or are they talking about the POPLA appeal which is different?

Surely if i just change the subject heading to Appeal and resend the same letter which was the Complaint that you drafted that should be enough right?

I mean I can't send evidence of not having received the original NtK,  other than swearing an affidavit.

But surely the onus is on them know to prove that they posted it once I appeal, no ?

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Private parking tickets / Re: 481 Green Lanes CUP Enforcement
« on: February 07, 2025, 07:19:54 pm »
I have this evening 07/02 submitted my POPLA appeal, thanks you again. You've been wonderful

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Private parking tickets / Re: 481 Green Lanes CUP Enforcement
« on: February 07, 2025, 02:34:29 pm »
So RK just received this final demand dated 06/02 on 07/02 (today).

They say POPLA appeal process is no longer available.

I did however appeal on 05/02 exactly as you advised by pdf attachment to an email that evening of the 5th.

Wording exactly as you instructed. Presumably their letter of 6th crossed with my appeal by email of the 5th.

I presume there that RK appealed within time to preserve the appeal ? Pls advise.

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Private parking tickets / Re: 481 Green Lanes CUP Enforcement
« on: February 05, 2025, 05:05:45 pm »
Ok. Thanks. I haven't raised it in my latest formal complaint so let's see what they say to that first. Appreciate your input.

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Private parking tickets / Re: 481 Green Lanes CUP Enforcement
« on: February 05, 2025, 04:02:20 pm »
Right. We received a PCN NtK 35325 on 04/12 . Notice dated 02/12, iro alleged contrvention 25/10.

RK sought your advice on this forum and wrote to CUP on 6th December in accordance with your advice that they were out of time. Copy below. They don't seem to be pursuing this anymore.

On 12/12 I received a PC Reminder Notice which we assumed initially was iro 35325. When I looked at it more carefully I saw that the PCN was #34141 , notice date 09/12 and alleged contravention date was 05/11 .

I drafted a letter that day 12/12 and mailed it the next again saying out of time and never received the original NtK. My suspicion is/was that they cocked up the two PCNs and sent a reminder in respect of the wrong one.

How can an alleged contravention of 05/11 have a PCN# 34141, when the NtK for 35325 with an alleged contravention date of 25/10 , so almost 2 weeks after have generated a lower PCN no. 34141 ? It's doesn't make sense to me.

They never issued an original NOTICE TO Keeper dated 08/11 as they claim. The fact that I have dealt with 35325 promptly and diligently is good circumstantial evidence to show I wouldn't have just sat on it if indeed I'd received it, surely.

They sent back a final demand dated 23/12 which i again responded to on 06/01/25.

I am now going to pdf across the formal challenge you kindly drafted and let's hope that that works. Thank you again

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Private parking tickets / Re: 481 Green Lanes CUP Enforcement
« on: February 04, 2025, 07:49:47 pm »
The other original NtK issued under a separate PCN that you already advised me on is now attached, front and back for your reference,  just in case that assists you.

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Private parking tickets / Re: 481 Green Lanes CUP Enforcement
« on: February 04, 2025, 07:43:10 pm »
Actually here is a copy of the original letter we sent back to CUP on the 12th December pointing out that it was issued as a reminder when that it is impossible when no original was ever received.

As we had received another original NtK from them with a different PCN no that you already advised us on last year, it would have been impossible for me to miss it as I work from home largely, (if indeed RM delivered it.)

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Private parking tickets / Re: 481 Green Lanes CUP Enforcement
« on: February 04, 2025, 07:30:05 pm »
My first letter of appeal was the 12th December correct. I overwrote that when I sent the orher letter of 6th January in largely the same wording.

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Private parking tickets / Re: 481 Green Lanes CUP Enforcement
« on: February 04, 2025, 07:13:28 pm »
As I said there is no original NtK. Never received so cannot attach. They CUP sent one in respect of another alleged infringement. I took your advice on that one at the time and wrote a letter along the lines you suggested. Adapting the wording of that to this one i sent them the attached letter which does not identify who was driving or anything else i believe. There is only one page. I responded twice in largely the same vein. The second page was just the signature.

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