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Aah,, I did not know specific about the loading aspects of these rules. But now that I read online on TfL website, it becomes clear to me.. Sorry, this is really new for me. Never had this issues for over 10 years of driving in London!!

Anyhow, would appreciate if there is a way I could fight off the ticket or if others think I can not, then I will pay-up without a challenge. Understand I was wrong completely inadvertently though and wouldn't repeat in future. Thanks again.

Happy New Year to all members.

TfL sent me an absurd PCN as a new year post   . I would be grateful for your inputs / advice on the challenge. I have looked through this forum and more broadly for similar prior cases and couldn't locate a relevant precedent and hence posting this.


+++++++ Alleged contravention for PCN:

46: Stopped where prohibited (on a red route or clearway)
Contravention location: 1484-1494 LONDON ROAD SW16
on 23/12/2025 at 10:22

"The alleged contravention was seen and recorded by camera operator number 2|3 who was observing real time pictures from an approved device at the time sated and has been recorded on digital storage media"


+++++++ My issues with the PCN:
1) My car is parked in a parking bay on red route after 10am, where the parking restrictions stated: "No stopping Mon-Sat 7am-7pm / Except 10am-4pm, loading max 20 mins".
2) PCN has 3 pictures (attached), with time stamp of 10:12:30 / 10:12:31 / 10:22:34. So gap of about 10 or so mins. This is well within the 20 mins restrictions. FYI, this parking is next to a station and I was waiting to pickup someone, thinking of 20 mins restrictions...

+++++++ My questions/requests:
1) Am I right to think that the PCN is without any merit (least based on the evidence provided)..
2) Are they right to issue this PCN with a camera pictures?
3) If I counter the PCN, could they produce more pictures to show I overstayed? I do believe I did not overstay, but incase I might, just wanted to know if something of this sort can occur? Would have presumed that they produce all relevant media with the PCN itself?
4) Shall I simply raise the points about location and time stamps or are there any other grounds I can use?


Many Thanks in advance!!

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1CeaMHSOewn4Hy8vejzApdwTGZ7-m3tIv/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1V81P8o9tJC4NX0cxpCjnQvRZClpBy9lb/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1hjEuqbESsSSZX3hbbPfI1L6RTn8zEHtQ/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1f9AScKFE8-OHg4jWe0472Sv1dSjYwxyD/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1aV_OLJWT_DdpZT0GOBaj0Fg49HqF512l/view?usp=sharing

Interesting. Sent an email as well for future documentation. Will post the group when I receive any further response / correspondence. Thanks a ton again !!

Thanks again. He only countered me, and didnt give any specific reason.

1) You were in the wrong lane not in the traffic
> Yes, because I was looking to park ahead in the parking lane, where the car just parked and seemed like there would have been space, but it was a misjudgement on my part, but I tried to then manouver right and move on, but it was late, since there were incoming vehicles

2) There was not enough space to park
> Correct, but thats in hindsight. There was space, but the vehicle ahead of me parked just before of me when I was driving towards it, and it would have been visible if only the council provided the video just before where it starts.

3) You had the left indicator on.
> Yes, since I was looking to park, but I changed it on realising not much space

4) Referred me to the picture where the car from behind seemed long behind
> Yes, but that's in the picture. Please look at the video where you can see that it would have bumped into me if I had turned right.

In hindsight, I could have prepared better. This was my response and I made similar arguments in person. I should have also mentioned about the absence of signpost - do you see it in the video (in my first post above) btw?

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Dear Sir / Madam,

On the 16 October 2024, London Borough of Lambeth issued a parking charge notice highlighting a 47J contravention (Stopped at a restricted bus stop/stand). As the appellant I wish to refute these charges on the grounds that the alleged contravention did not occur. I have laid out the circumstances and supporting grounds below:

As can be easily gauged in the evidence video (though limited) provided by Lambeth, I drove into the bus stop box to park into the parking box immediately ahead of it. I had requested the council to provide the full video (before where it starts, so it can be more clearly seen, but they have not provided).  I was trying to park in the parking space ahead before realizing not enough space and then the traffic prevented me from driving ahead. The two incoming vehicles and a cyclist prevented me from driving ahead, otherwise I could have likely injured a cyclist or bumped into another car. Once they moved on, I promptly turned into the right lane and drove on. At no stage while the car was into the box, there was any loading / unloading or another reason to stop into the box.

I fully understand and appreciate the "No-Stop" rule, but I believe the council is incorrectly applying the rule similar to a yellow zig zag box / box junction where a car must only enter when there is a clear passage ahead and can exit promptly without stopping for even for traffic ahead. But I don't believe the two are the same because when a similar bus-stop with "no-stop" restriction is on a single lane road, a car can stop in the box due to traffic ahead. So, the box junction rules do not apply.

Furthermore, even though no-stop restrictions apply at all times on red (or double red lines) without any need for a sign-board, if there is traffic on the road (for example) a red light or changing lanes, a car can pause temporarily for these reasons (i.e. traffic ahead or change lanes) etc as has been the case for me.

For these reasons, I believe that the council is incorrectly applying the rule and propose that this appeal should be upheld and that Lambeth should be required to withdraw PCN Number LJ31265469.

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Ah, that gives me more confidence. Thanks again. Will update the post on how I progress with the next stage for the benefit of others in future.

To be honest, I don't even remember. I don't usually drive on this road often. I did ask in my representation for the council to furnish the video before, as its only part video but they did not. My guess is that I perhaps wanted to park in the box ahead before a late realisation that there was not much space, or realised the sign board of "No stopping" too late before I was in that lane.

Thank you for the prompt response @stamfordman. My representation was the same that I was waiting for the cars and cyclist to pass which was part of the traffic. There was no intention to stop or park on the Bus Stop.