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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN CU67721791 16/07/24 17.21 Offence 21 Parked wholly or partly in suspended Bay or parking space.
« on: December 24, 2024, 05:24:26 am »
Would anybody please help collating the right relevant information?
This is really worrying me now as to how to have anyone see the points already raised but not really responded to, this time.


Thanks,


Happy Christmas holidays.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN CU67721791 16/07/24 17.21 Offence 21 Parked wholly or partly in suspended Bay or parking space.
« on: December 16, 2024, 11:16:24 pm »
I've read through the Ajudicator notes but am unsure which content, preferably legal, I should emphasise to proceed?
I do feel surprised at the replies I have had from the council so far as they never refer to my specific points, wrt the lack of clarity or even unreadabilty of main skewiff signage & lack of a reasonable number of warning signs surrounding a suspension hidden around a bend upon approach. They say we have to make all efforts to check any area before parking but when we make something else out of their poor signage standing right by it, alongside other drivers thinking the same for good measure, is it reasonable to keep throwing the ball back into our court?
By their token it would seem they'd almost never acknowledge any signage problem or mistake to cancel a ticket.

Yet I have told it exactly as it was on the occasion and how three other people, one the CEO (who then did not mention our conversation in her notes although she told me to appeal, apparently) were confused. There was no intention to try to cheat the system, most normal signals inferred that I was in an open Bay with parked cars, next to a wholly Suspended one; it was just impossible to appreciate that a couple of slots within this Bay on an unnumbered wooded side of the road without any further signage to make up for that, would be Suspended. The next driver I met pulling in even argued about it the following day scrutinising the sign, as I have reported to Camden. So, is it reasonable not to clearly signpost difficult unlandmarked areas like this one, whilst expecting us to know the ins and outs of arcane sometimes frankly inadequate signpost rules as we drive along? Even afterwards standing up checking right in front of the faded main sign? The Suspension system doesn't seem to me fit for purpose. (I had noticed years before the signs frequently left down on the ground the day before an early start Suspension & emails lacking all the data on local Suspensions making our detection job all the harder but I digress.)

Any assistance on which points are most relevant now to highlight, gratefully received, thanks.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN CU67721791 16/07/24 17.21 Offence 21 Parked wholly or partly in suspended Bay or parking space.
« on: December 13, 2024, 04:21:59 am »
Consternation - my Notice to Owner Appeal has been rejected.

Without acknowledging the key point that I hadn't been parked in the bay that appeared to be suspended, of 2 contiguous ones there, with the other well marked up. Nor the related point that road signs close by were not yellow-suspension-signed to designate start and end of any such partial suspension.

Similarly, they do not truly address the rather conspicuous lack of an uploaded photo of their faded "map" & unreadable instructions, either, simply saying that: "photographic evidence is not a legal requirement, and it merely serves as additional evidence." Hmm, why, might additional evidence sway, since they do not go on to then discuss MY own uploaded copy? Nor how they can demonstrate why, in this instance, they could be sure to trust their CEO without any such good evidence. I had in fact provided a detailed account of just how verbally their CEO had NOT been SURE of the offence, had tried two interpretations at that time nevertheless completing the ticket which hadn't been issued when I returned from a couple of minutes search along the road for the dropped bank card. Yet told me to appeal. It must be the case that some tickets are fallaciously issued.

Neither sadly has the fine been halved. 

So what are my options now, given I still feel misled into this fine?

Will upload the letter.

Thank you for any help as to whether an adjudicator would be more open to the true story in a further appeal.


FullSteam_Ahead

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN CU67721791 16/07/24 17.21 Offence 21 Parked wholly or partly in suspended Bay or parking space.
« on: December 03, 2024, 03:00:31 am »
Thank you very much indeed, I have modified and sent off my Drivers' Notice appeal with the main sign, by pointing out that I had not uploaded evidence in the short explanation I had supplied, in rushing to do it in case I had to resort to posting it. I should have thanked you much sooner but have been having to respond amongst other things to a pressing solicitor's letter on grotesque housing disrepair.

Thanks, much appreciated,

FullSteam_Ahead

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN CU67721791 16/07/24 17.21 Offence 21 Parked wholly or partly in suspended Bay or parking space.
« on: November 19, 2024, 03:47:40 am »
There wasn't any sign on the start post at the other end of the Bay I parked in but plenty of closer posts they might have put a Repeater Yellow warning on. Can be seen in the Street Views.

Put the facts here pl.

There is a single bay which runs from (See Map just opposite the deadend top-run part of old South End Rd spur which then confusingly 'becomes' the popular roadway still called South End Road [there used to be road accidents on that blind corner before it was closed off] ) ** South End Rd. to opp Keats Grove. There are ** (4) traffic signs in this bay, *** (3) of which are stand-alone displaying traffic signs which apply to only this bay and 1 shared post which carries traffic signs for this bay and one which immediately adjoins.

On the day in question I parked approx. opp Keats Grove having passed **(3) of the other signs while finding a parking place. The post ahead carried two traffic signs, both of which were exposed. It also carried 2 yellow-backed notices.

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Now we have the CEO's photos and what appear to be yours, is this correct? Yes. Yours(I think) clearly show the words 'whole bay opposite 45-65 South End Rd', so where does 'partially suspended' come from? The whole bay was suspended.
(I agree, I am looking at my photograph now. The top yellow plate says what you've written:
"South End Rd.
Whole bay opposite nos 45-65 location 1203Ti" I think)

The bottom yellow plate slewed round, is a very faded map with just one black marked line on it.
I cannot read any words.   

Pl just fill in the gaps above and let's take it forward. I'm not saying you don't have a case, it's just that your current approach won't succeed IMO.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN CU67721791 16/07/24 17.21 Offence 21 Parked wholly or partly in suspended Bay or parking space.
« on: November 18, 2024, 05:38:59 pm »
Thank you very much for your time and attention to this.

FullSteam_Ahead

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN CU67721791 16/07/24 17.21 Offence 21 Parked wholly or partly in suspended Bay or parking space.
« on: November 18, 2024, 04:29:57 pm »
I do intend to write in if I have a correct point as I'd thought at the time.
 
The specific question I meant to ask having not been able to discover the Traffic Management rules on this, is whether Repeater Signs within the same partially Suspended Bay are expected closer to the suspended slots on the open side when the layout is beyond the eyeline around a corner from the start of that Bay?
For that is the way I drove down.

I did read both signs on the shared post.
They were faint with a faded map that the warden also could not decipher & it seems I and then another woman made an honest mistake if we did, trying to read them. The shared sign did not seem to refer to both bays.

There wasn't any sign on the start post at the other end of the Bay I parked in but plenty of closer posts they might have put a Repeater Yellow warning on. Can be seen in the Street Views.

Whereas, the next wholly Suspended Bay from the shared main post DID have Yellow warning signs on Entry and Exit, so 2. My bay had only 1, if understood to refer to it at all.

I wanted to find out what is the recommendation on enclosure Repeater Signs around suspended slots at least?


Thank you,

FullSteam_Ahead

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN CU67721791 16/07/24 17.21 Offence 21 Parked wholly or partly in suspended Bay or parking space.
« on: November 18, 2024, 03:19:02 pm »
Yes, it was issued on 22nd Oct.
To my correct name and address.

Thank you.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN CU67721791 16/07/24 17.21 Offence 21 Parked wholly or partly in suspended Bay or parking space.
« on: November 18, 2024, 02:44:10 am »
Yes, I have, 22nd Oct.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN CU67721791 16/07/24 17.21 Offence 21 Parked wholly or partly in suspended Bay or parking space.
« on: November 17, 2024, 05:19:03 pm »
What do you make of both signs because I thought that I did on several occasions, when I got out of the car to read it then talking to the first traffic warden who issued the ticket and then the next day with the other woman who was parking there? I had then been back to try to make further sense of it later too. The map was too faded to see.

Thank you, 

FullSteam_Ahead

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN CU67721791 16/07/24 17.21 Offence 21 Parked wholly or partly in suspended Bay or parking space.
« on: November 15, 2024, 09:35:41 pm »
I have just thought I should add that a person on the parking phoneline it was who told me to furnish a second response reinforcing my initial reply, I was surprised to hear that we could send in a second set but they insisted. I had actually rung for their helpline aspect to check what the traffic rules really were wrt what I now hear are called Repeater Signs, those second temporary yellow signs that I was thoroughly expecting near or at the other end of a Bay. I got no definitive answer to that, just the idea that I should write in again.

I need to let you know however that no reply has come through to that second sending to the council - I think the reply about Notice to Owner was a timed response possibly to my initial response done from their website.

And finally, I screeched to a halt seeing a warden one day standing on the exact same spot later on, to check this signage fact again; he remembered those Suspensions in July & chuckling affirmed they were pretty confusing with no landmark on that side of the road to affix our interpretation to. He broadly agreed he'd have expected a second sign but I wasn't really sure we weren't talking slightly to cross purposes due to things he repeated & couldn't take it as a final answer.

In case anyone was wondering about the missing bank card on the ground business, where I'd dropped my bag which spilt open, this had happened around the corner minutes earlier so I was parking as closely as possible to be able to keep that space still free I hoped to go and have a look, I can't easily scramble under cars. I knew there weren't other spaces there by the station a few minutes before. And it wasn't there, had to be cancelled. 

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: PCN CU67721791 16/07/24 17.21 Offence 21 Parked wholly or partly in suspended Bay or parking space.
« on: November 15, 2024, 08:56:58 pm »
Thank you.

I hope this Word file with all the correspondence does upload, for sizing restrictions I will have to send the three photos separately.

Cheers.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / PCN CU67721791 16/07/24 17.21 Offence 21 Parked wholly or partly in suspended Bay or parking space.
« on: November 15, 2024, 07:10:09 pm »
Hello, I cannot register with Imgur. Not on FB, X, tried Yahoo & email.  I cannot upload anything at all.

PCN CU67721791  16/07/24 17.21 Offence 21 Parked wholly or partly in suspended Bay or parking space.


July 16th Southend Green Rd Camden I unknowingly parked in an apparently 2 or 3 slot partially Suspended Bay, next to a wholly Suspended lengthy empty Bay with Yellow Signs at each end that we could all understand at a glance.
Street View shows my long parking bay starts around the steep corner up the hill and there were no repeater signs at the start nor closer to the intended Suspended parking slots. Driving down you would see a row of parked cars as usual on an unmarked Bay & I parked next to them to look for my dropped bank card.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/mRHedQVmfxthce2C8
https://maps.app.goo.gl/4DPLPkwLrjwBwEsC6
https://maps.app.goo.gl/VWzR1jzwCJoiUZTWA

I cannot upload photographs of the main sign between the two bays but the handwritten board was slewed onto its side written so faintly even the traffic warden struggled to read what it meant. First she said "opposite 65 Southend Green" but then agreed I was not opposite. Then she wasn't sure where the Suspended slots finished.

Unfortunately I have written in twice because Camden did not answer the specific questions about repeater signs nor the faintness and unclarity of their one sign which appeared to refer to the next Bay ahead. I am now at the Adjudicator stage for the full fine or worse. Can you help please with whether repeater signs should have been erected for clear viewing? Or whether the faintness and bad angle of the sign between the Bays is too unreadable?

The next day another driver parked there and I warned them but they felt they'd appeal as the signs were so confusing.

Thank you very much.
 

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