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Can you evidence that you made two visits? Do you have any evidence that your car was elsewhere that day when they claim it was in the car park.

If you're adamant you were not in the car park for the duration they claim, it raises suspicion that just taking G24s word that they have only evidence of a single entrance and exit for that day is mendacious and that they have tampered with their system and or they are lying. By tampering, I mean they deleted the orphan images.

Their system is supposed to be tightly controlled with logs of every access to it. The DVLA will have asked them for evidence that they have only a single entry and exit for the vehicle that day and they will have accepted G24s word for it.

It also begs the question why G24 decided to cancel the PCN if they had no orphan images. As Marcellus said in Hamlet... "Something is rotten in the state of Denmark".

So, if you have anything, even a witness that could verify that you were elsewhere with your vehicle at the time they claim you were still in their car park, you should escalate this back to the DVLA and the IPC.
I have the day logged on my google account but basically the retail park is a 3-4 min walk from my house (where I have a driveway to put the car).  I was logged in at work all day (9-5pm) after returning from dropping the daughter off at school and I was then on a 1hr run from 6-7pm (logged on Strava) before visiting the retail park on the way home in the evening.  Theres something distinctly stinky aboubt G24s actions here.

Distance from retail park to home

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Thank you @b789
On a SAR and in my situation, if I ask for the photos of exits up to 15 mins after my first visit and entries up to 15 mins before my 2nd exit, do you know if they have to supply that, refuse it or redact registration plates from the pics?

Thanks in advance

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Got a response to my complaint letter/email from G24

Complaint response from G24

Stating they completed a "detailed review and couldn't find any other entry or exit in my 2 visits.  They seem to be happy with their privacy policy (as do the DVLA) and are pointing me to the IPC.

What would you suggest next @b789 ?  Do you have a template for a Subject Access Request ?  Such was the swiftness of both visits I wouldn't need more that 15mins data from entry the first time and 15 mins before the exit the 2nd time.

Thanks in advance

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Had a reply from the DVLA... Essential they say there's nothing to see. They've contacted G24 who are saying they only have one entry and one exit in their records.
Sounds very convenient....

Dear Mr xxxxx,
Thank you for your correspondence of 24th October about the release of information from the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency’s (DVLA) vehicle register. I have been asked to formally review your case at Step 1 of our complaints procedure.

The DVLA takes the protection and security of its data very seriously and has procedures in place to ensure data is disclosed only where it is lawful and fair to do so and where the provisions of the Data Protection Law are met. The Agency must strike a balance between ensuring the privacy of motorists is respected while enabling those who may have suffered loss or damage to seek redress.

Drivers choosing to park a vehicle on private land do so subject to the terms and conditions set out on signage in the car park. The need to contact individuals who may not have complied with these conditions is, in most circumstances, considered to be a reasonable cause. Data is provided by the DVLA to enable landowners or their agents to pursue their legal rights and to address disputes. I hope you can appreciate that if this were not the case, motorists would be able to park with disregard for the conditions applying with little prospect of being held accountable.

I have investigated this matter with G24 Limited who made the request to DVLA for the registered keeper details for vehicle registration number xxxxxxx. I have sight of their supporting evidence to show that they had reasonable cause to make their request. I have also been advised that upon receipt of your appeal the decision was made to cancel the parking charge notice on this occasion. G24 Limited have also
advised me that they have carried out a detailed review of their systems, however could only find one event of the vehicle entering and exiting the car park.

To help ensure motorists are treated fairly when any private parking charge is pursued the DVLA discloses vehicle keeper information only to companies that are members of an appropriate Accredited Trade Association (ATA). The purpose of requiring a company to be a member of an ATA is to ensure that those who request DVLA information are legitimate companies that operate within a code of practice that promotes fair treatment of the motorist and ensures that there is a clear set of standards for operators.

The company in question, G24 Limited, is a member of the International Parking Community Ltd (IPC) which is an Accredited Trade Association for the parking industry. The IPC’s code of practice is published on its website at www.theipc.info under the heading Accredited Operators Scheme. If a member of this AOS does not comply with the code of practice, it may be suspended or expelled, during which time no data will be provided to it by the DVLA. If you feel that any of the practices used by the company do not comply with the IPC’s code of practice, you may wish to contact the IPC via their website or by writing to IPC, at PO Box 662 SK10 9NR.

We have fully considered all the information available. If you feel that your complaint has not been resolved, you can request escalation of your complaint to Step 2 of the complaints process. Further options about our complaint procedure can be found online at www.gov.uk/dvla/complaints.
Yours sincerely
Carly Williams
Data Customer Auditor
Data Assurance Team/Information & Assurance Group

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Some good news today of sorts.  I received the following email from G24

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Dear Mr XXXXXXX XXXXX

RE: Contractual Parking Charge Notice 107924093001

Regarding the above Contractual Parking Charge Notice, we would like to confirm that this has been waived.

No further action is required by you.

Appeals Team
G24 Ltd

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Now whilst that is great, given the appeal text I sent (thank you again to B789) they have clearly realised they fecked up and think by cancelling the PCN that its the end of it.

I sent the complaint email to their dataprotection@g24.co.uk email address and a week later I've not had anythign back so I'm sendign the same complaint by post to their offices with the view to riaising a complaint with the ICO if nothing comes from that.  To quote Vic and Bob "you wouldn't let it lie !!"

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How is this for a complaint to the DVLA ?

As the registered keeper of this vehicle I received a Penalty Charge Notice on 16th October 2024 from the car park company G24 in respects to an alleged offence on 30th September 2024 at The Hough Retail Park, Lichfield Road, Stafford, ST17 4LL
G24 claim that the car visited the car park at 8.22am and left at 7:11pm this being on the car park for close to 11 hours.
This is a case of a "double-dip" error, where the Automatic Number Plate Recognition (ANPR) system has failed to accurately log the vehicle's first exit and second entry.

On the day in question, the vehicle made two separate visits to the car park:
• First visit: approximately 8:22am
• Second visit: approximately 7:11pm

G24 erroneously treated these two distinctly separate visits as a single continuous stay, leading to the issuance of this PCN. G24 failed to properly check the ANPR data for "orphan images"—that is, missing entry or exit records that the vehicle made.

My complaint with yourselves, the DVLA is that there was no Reasonable Cause for G24 to request my personal data from yourselves, and this constitutes a breach of the KADOE contract, and my data was therefore obtained unlawfully.

Can you please advise what the next steps are in escalating this issue.

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Good evening, following on from what @b789 said about a complaint to the DVLA can someone point me to the Section on the DVLA where I can make a complaint. I've seen the general complaints section bit can't see anything specific about complaints regarding to registered keeper days disclosure.
Also at what point should I complain to the ICO?
Thanks all in advance

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Before I send everything off can you satisfy my curiosity about this ?


Non-Compliance with PoFA 2012

In addition, your Notice to Keeper (NtK) does not comply with the statutory requirements of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA):

Paragraph 9(2)(a): The NtK fails to specify the required "period of parking." Relying solely on ANPR timestamps of entry and exit does not meet the requirement of providing a clear and defined period of parking.


Has the parking company covered this by their claim that the driver was parked for 649 mins (shown on the notice) ?  Thanks in advance

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Thank you so much for that reply 👏
I'll keep you updated

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Thank you for this it's much appreciated.
I'm guessing the formal complaint to the operator regarding the GDPR should be done direct to their Data Protection team ? (dataprotection@G24.co.uk) ?

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The driver visited this car park twice in one day.  Once around 8.22am after dropping a child off at school before driving home to work for the day, and another time around 7.11pm after driving back from a social run. 

The parking took place on the 30th September 24, the ticket is dated 10th October 24 and it was received on the 16th october 24

Note that in the 2nd photo of the car the number plate has not been "blocked out" as that is the photo they have provided.

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