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Speeding and other criminal offences / Re: Speeding FINAL REMINDER, RK already nominated!
« on: October 08, 2024, 04:17:07 pm »
Quote from: DWMB2 on October 05, 2024, 10:21:48 am
One thing that doesn't seem to have been mentioned so far is the severity of the speeding, but it might be a worthwhile consideration when weighing up whether to run the risk of defending a S172 charge in court.

Of course if you win, everyone is happy. But if it was only a very minor speeding offence, risking 6 points, costs of close to £1,000 and significantly increased car insurance premiums to avoid a speed awareness course seems like a risky strategy.

"Alleged" offence was 79mph vs 70mph limit with Driver having no points currently and no speed awareness course for many years (therefore speed awareness offer likely, hopefully!). Totally agree that it was likely not worth the risk, especially if the RK doesn't have quiet as clean record! Worth exploring nonetheless (more for the Driver than the RK!).

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Speeding and other criminal offences / Re: Speeding FINAL REMINDER, RK already nominated!
« on: October 08, 2024, 04:12:40 pm »
Thanks for all the replies so far.

The mystery has resolved itself: Today the Driver received their NIP for the alleged(!) speeding offence.

The NIP is dated 4 October. The Final Reminder to the RK was dated 1 October.

Driver will likely "make an admission" :(

Speed was 79mph vs 70mph limit (M6 Motorway Junction 3A to Corley Southbound, M6) and Driver will last took a Speed Awareness course many years ago, so will hopefully be offered it again!

The Photographic Evidence shown on the website portal has an image of the motorway gantry at the time of the alleged(!) offence with no speed limit on (not even National Speed Limit sign). Do motorway cameras catch/are motorway cameras turned on at all times, even when not displaying any limit. I was under the impression cameras were only active when a speed (or NSL sign) was displayed?

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Speeding and other criminal offences / Re: Speeding FINAL REMINDER, RK already nominated!
« on: October 04, 2024, 08:27:18 pm »
"What "Notice" were you hoping to void"
The whole speeding offence.

"what is the "technicality"?"
The fact that RK has nominated the Driver but RK is still being chased as of they haven't nominated anyone.

"The police could prosecute the RK for failing to furnish"
The RK has furnished via the online portal within a day of receiving the original NIP.

"...only time-bound by the 6 month rule to go after the named driver"
Useful information, thank you. So there's effectively 5 months left for someone to pursue the Driver who was nominated.

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Speeding and other criminal offences / Re: Speeding FINAL REMINDER, RK already nominated!
« on: October 04, 2024, 08:20:15 pm »
RK has already nominated someone: https://i.ibb.co/yXY9b9h/imgonline-com-ua-dexifsa-Jd9-Ms-D9z-PK.jpg

If the error/oversight/whatever this is, isn't spotted in the meantime, is it likely that a Court hearing (assuming it went that way) against the RK would conclude within 5 months (Offence was 1 month ago) ie: would it be 6 months+ by the time the Police realise what's going on?

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Speeding and other criminal offences / Re: Speeding FINAL REMINDER, RK already nominated!
« on: October 04, 2024, 06:13:55 pm »
If RK can get the Notice voided on a technicality and enable Driver to avoid any further action, result.

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Speeding and other criminal offences / Speeding FINAL REMINDER, RK already nominated!
« on: October 04, 2024, 04:17:41 pm »
Hi

RK received a NIP (within 14 days) for speeding
RK completed nomination online well within the time limit (RK wasn't the Driver)
RK has now received a "Final Reminder"
RK has again tried to nominate the Driver online but can't as an error message is displayed ("A nomination has already been submitted.")

The RK is of the view they have fulfilled their obligation under S172 (to provide the requested information within 28 days of the first notice issued).

Is the RK decides not to go "above and beyond" (filling paper form in, calling Police etc.) what is likely to happen 1) to RK and 2) to Driver?

Would the RK be summoned to Court?
Would the RK be determined by the Court to have fulfilled their obligation ie: no further action (fine, points etc.)?
Would the Court nullify the whole Notice (ie: no further action against RK OR Driver)?
Would the RK be compelled to provide Driver details at Court?
Would the Police be able to use the the nomination details after a Court hearing?
Would the Driver lose eligibility for speed awareness courses etc. if a subsequent Notice (to the Driver) was issued AFTER a Court hearing the RK is summonsed to?

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