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Update: challenge rejected Thanks for you inputs and help. I decided to pay it.
Rejection letter:
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Dear
Traffic Management Act 2004
RE: Formal Notice of Rejection of Representations for Penalty Charge Notice (PCN):
AG46648067
Thank you for your correspondence received on 01/10/2024 in which you made representations regarding the above PCN that was issued for the following contravention:
Contravention Date and Time: 14/09/2024 at 10:41
Vehicle Registration: W17GPO
Location: Ballards Lane (N3), junction with Nether St and Chaville Way Contravention: Entering and stopping in a box junction when prohibited
We have carefully considered your comments and decided not to cancel your PCN. clear and Sops ad to us presence ta said the in ion. on thion ours g
the motorist enters the box junction and has insufficient space at the other side to exit without stopping. A contravention is committed if any part of the vehicle is left stationary within the confines of the box junction regardless of the length of time involved.
In your response, you have stated that you entered the box junction to turn right and were prevented by other vehicles turning right. However, the Highway Code Rule 174 states: "Box junctions. These have criss-crossed yellow lines painted on the road (see 'Road markings').
You MUST NOT enter the box until your exit road or lane is clear. However, you may enter the box and wait when you want to turn right and are only stopped from doing so by oncoming traffic, or by other vehicles waiting to turn right.
The CCTV footage shows your vehicle travelling through the box, following the vehicle ahead, without slowing or waiting to ensure your exit route or lane was clear prior to entering.
Please be advised that motorists should not follow the vehicle in front as it may stop and prevent their exit from the box junction.
Photographic evidence, taken from the CCTV footage, has been enclosed for your consideration.
The Council would refer you to the following web link (Online Media), to where you can view the CCTV evidence of the contravention, as well as the photographic images.
https://barnetocm.itsvc.co.uk/
The Council would add, the page will require the entering of both the PCN reference and VRM, in order to view the evidence for the contravention.
After careful consideration of the evidence put before us, it is our opinion that the PCN is valid Tester you the pe cay celia this iS no eye on 0, i gesture, e aays im the
date of this letter.
Please ensure, that the payment of the discounted amount is received within the stipulated timescale, or alternatively, you can appeal our decision Online or via the form attached.
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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Barnet 31J PCN
« on: September 30, 2024, 05:08:30 pm »
Thanks @stamfordman and @MrChips for your replies. Should I add the link of the freedom of information request link :

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/yellow_box_junction_nether_st_ba

That @stamfordman sent to prove the confusion and the wrong issuing of the PCN because of the merging of 2 lanes into one lane and the hindering of seeing a clear exit, or should I just send the last version of the challenge that @MrChips wrote to me yesterday!!

Many many thanks for your input and help

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Barnet 31J PCN
« on: September 29, 2024, 08:45:58 pm »
thanks.

should I add those 2 photos as an evidence for the in front of me cars stopped without the need to stop and I needed to wait for them ?

https://ibb.co/pzBgtXr


https://ibb.co/Hq0G9sr

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Barnet 31J PCN
« on: September 29, 2024, 08:18:48 pm »
thanks for your reply and I did made a challenge based on your advice. I`d appriciate it if you can take a look and correct to me if I need to change something;


Dear Sir / Madam
Re:
I am challenging this pcn (AG46648067) dated 14/09/2024 on the following grounds:
-The prohibition of entering the yellow junction box doesn`t applies to a person who:
(A) Causes a vehicle to enter the junction box for the purpose of turning right;
And
(B) Stops the vehicle within the junction box for so long as the vehicle is prevented from completing the right turn by an oncoming vehicle or other vehicle which is stationary whilst waiting to complete a right turn.
To quote from the highway code and the TFL website:
“You must not enter the box until your exit road or lane is clear. HOWEVER, you may enter the box and wait when you want to turn right, and are only stopped from doing so by oncoming traffic, or by other vehicles waiting to turn right.
Law TSRGD regs 10(1) & 29(2)”
“You can stop in a yellow box junction when turning right if you are prevented from turning by oncoming traffic or by other vehicles waiting to turn right”
For the reason mentioned above, I am requesting that this pcn to be waived or cancelled.
I look forward to hearing from you.

Yours faithfully,

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Barnet 31J PCN
« on: September 29, 2024, 04:06:00 pm »
Thanks for your reply, but I don’t think the turning right exemption will work here because there are no oncoming cars.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Barnet 31J PCN
« on: September 29, 2024, 12:13:02 pm »
Hello everyone,

Got a PCN yesterday through the post.

I think that I`ve been wrongly charged because the one in front of me had space but they stopped without the need to stop( see edited picture please).also, I didnt stop long, a few seconds only and only the rear tires touching.
my car is the grey toyota RAV4.
is it worth challenging or not? any advice appricated please.
thanks in advance.

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https://ibb.co/pzBgtXr

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https://ibb.co/Hq0G9sr

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https://ibb.co/q1BSySv

https://maps.app.goo.gl/PqfyQkWhTKG9Xp7E9

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