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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Brent PCN, Code: 01, Honeypot Lane (near junction with Westmoreland Road), Obscured Sign
« on: February 19, 2026, 04:32:58 pm »
Your biggest problem is gonna be the fact that it's a rental car. If the council writes to Europcar and tells them there's a penalty charge notice against the car, Europcar will charge a £50 admin fee.
Europcar will also either:
Europcar also say they won't refund the £50 admin charge if you win the appeal. They'll only refund it if you win and the council confirms in writing that the penalty charge notice should never have been issued. That's a really weird requirement and councils don't usually give that. So it looks like you won't be getting that £50 back easily.
That kind of changes your priorities when dealing with appeals. Instead of doing "the right thing", you're focusing on "what will cost me less?". There are some places in England where a penalty charge is only £25 if you pay up quickly - it makes more sense to pay those than it does to pay the £50 Europcar admin fee, for example.
Your most important question is, do you have good reasons to appeal, or should you pay the £80 before it goes up to £130 or £210 once Europcar get involved?
Councils are allowed to have yellow lines that have different enforcement days and times to the bays. That isn't unusual - it happens in a lot of places. Assuming the lines will have the same times as the bays generally isn't a good idea.
The sign for the single yellow line (the small yellow one) being twisted and facing away from the road is a potential problem. That makes it much harder to see, especially at night in the dark. Some councils would back down if you showed photographic evidence of that - I know my local council would. But London councils are known to play hardball and reject everyone's first challenge. That's probably your strongest appeal point if you do decide to appeal.
Europcar will also either:
- just pay the penalty charge notice, then bill it to your credit card
- supply your name and address to the council, transferring liability to you
Europcar also say they won't refund the £50 admin charge if you win the appeal. They'll only refund it if you win and the council confirms in writing that the penalty charge notice should never have been issued. That's a really weird requirement and councils don't usually give that. So it looks like you won't be getting that £50 back easily.
That kind of changes your priorities when dealing with appeals. Instead of doing "the right thing", you're focusing on "what will cost me less?". There are some places in England where a penalty charge is only £25 if you pay up quickly - it makes more sense to pay those than it does to pay the £50 Europcar admin fee, for example.
Your most important question is, do you have good reasons to appeal, or should you pay the £80 before it goes up to £130 or £210 once Europcar get involved?
Councils are allowed to have yellow lines that have different enforcement days and times to the bays. That isn't unusual - it happens in a lot of places. Assuming the lines will have the same times as the bays generally isn't a good idea.
The sign for the single yellow line (the small yellow one) being twisted and facing away from the road is a potential problem. That makes it much harder to see, especially at night in the dark. Some councils would back down if you showed photographic evidence of that - I know my local council would. But London councils are known to play hardball and reject everyone's first challenge. That's probably your strongest appeal point if you do decide to appeal.