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I think you should ask them for the PCN as we can't give full advice on reps without it. Also, the idea of the SD process is that you didn't get it!

I am aware of the SD process, hence I submitted the SD to Croydon.  I have also asked Croydon to provide a formal NOR.

The overarching issue here, is Croydon correct in saying  they don't have to warn about i.e "No Right Turn" restrictions prior to the junction "There is no requirement for advance warning signs to be in place"

I believe Croydon are incorrect.

Hi HC

Cutting to the chase:

I submitted the stat dec about not receiving the PCN to TEC. When I called TEC they said Croydon hadn't registered it with them yet, so I submitted to Croydon.

Croydon accepted my SD and reduced the fine from £195 to the original £65.

I am arguing with Croydon on the basis that the road sign indicating "No Right Turn" was not visible whilst driving as it was parallel to the road (not facing the oncoming traffic) and had been like that for a year.

Croydon are saying they don't have to warn about i.e "No Right Turn" restrictions prior to the junction "There is no requirement for advance warning signs to be in place"

I believe Croydon are incorrect.  They have given me until 16th September to pay the £65 or it goes up to the increased amount.

Nom1

Hi Tawnyess,

I believe you need to complete forms PE2 and PE3 immediately get them witnessed by a solicitor and emailed into TEC as soon as possible. (Sometimes you have to complete forms TE7 or TE9 but I believe you are too late for that)

Once the correct forms are registered TEC they will halt all action until your case is considered.

Top Tip

Park you car on a family member or friendly neighbour's driveway, bailiffs cannot clamp your in these circumstances, but beware of leaving your car in public places: roads, car parks etc. until you know your forms have been registered and processed by TEC!!

Nom1

Hi HC

In answer to your questions:

Did you receive the PCN? - I did not receive the original PCN
Did you make representations? - The PCN I did receive (as attached) had the fine at £195 against which I immediately made representations and submitted a PE2 and PE3 (duly authorised by my solicitor) to both TEC and Croydon.  When I called TEC they advised the PCN had not been registered by Croydon.  I contacted Croydon again and they accepted my representation for the none receipt of the original PCN and reduced the PCN back to £65.00 - but they would  not accept that the sign was facing the wrong way 

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/jsz04az9kb7bia751ep8b/2024-06-14-10-56-002-_Redacted.pdf?rlkey=pc9a09m3odaobqpzohceu9fm6&dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/nl01li77dnj2ktv9knwz3/PCN-CR19525192-Challenge.pdf?rlkey=6uqztcbqxv1edzs93b7ngwnjj&dl=0


It would seem that you don't have a Notice of Rejection and as taking your argument anywhere is contingent upon getting one, pl answer the above

No I haven't received a Notice of Rejection - I know I need this to challenge a PCN through the adjudication route, I have asked Croydon for this NOR but have yet to receive it??

Nom1

Penalty Charge Notice: CR19525192
Vehicle Registration Mark: MM67OFW
Date of Contravention: 21/02/2024
Location of Contravention: The Crescent, Croydon by Northcote Rd
Contravention Code Description: 53j Failing to comply with a restriction on vehicles entering a pedestrian zone (Camera Enforcement)

Firstly, I have already established with Croydon Parking a reduction in the PCN to the original amount on the basis that it was not received.

I had previously mistakenly turned into and immediately reversed out of The Crescent, I took the attached photographs and video (see link below) showing that the sign for the ‘No Right Turn’ into The Crescent was actually pointing in the wrong direction so not visible when driving towards Croydon from the Selhurst direction

Croydon state “There is no requirement for advance warning signs to be in place however we note that you advise the sign had been turned.” For which I have provided photographic and video evidence.

Mandatory requirements are set out in the Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2016 (as amended) (TSRGD).  Traffic Signs Manual Chapter 3 and this details the mandatory signage for turning into such a junction as The Crescent.

Are Croydon correct in saying that the advanced warning of "No Right Turn" is not mandatory?

https://photos.app.goo.gl/ZbytVunxWEfgKhtG8


https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/kfx602ubr62ja70moa7tx/P0006071426_Redacted.pdf?rlkey=lte9ilqw226rv42x8v9yjgwoh&dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/fkj8qwrhdcpu4qy5kiuai/RE_-Correspondence-Reply-from-London-Borough-of-Croydon-PCN-CR19525192_Redacted.pdf?rlkey=7xlras46cnda80dja7qtvu0pa&dl=0


https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/fkj8qwrhdcpu4qy5kiuai/RE_-Correspondence-Reply-from-London-Borough-of-Croydon-PCN-CR19525192_Redacted.pdf?rlkey=7xlras46cnda80dja7qtvu0pa&dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/kfx602ubr62ja70moa7tx/P0006071426_Redacted.pdf?rlkey=lte9ilqw226rv42x8v9yjgwoh&dl=0


Thanks

Nom