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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Penalty Charge Notice; CDER debt collection letter; Moved address. ?Possibly ballif stage.
« on: September 03, 2024, 10:02:20 pm »
Thanks all for the responses.

I will see if I can find out when we updated the V5C with the DVLA.

So, it seems I understand that it would be best to:
1. Submit an OOT to the council.

2. If success, great - pay initial PCN *3.

3. If no success before the 16/09/2024, pay the £279*3 fees.

4. Then, in this case either the OOT success may happen after 16/09/2024 and all fees are refunded.

OR/

It is unsuccessful and the council pass on to the TEC and there is another decision. If success at this point, again we pay the PCNs, all fees refunded.

But, if still no success, we decide whether we proceed to a judge review, in which case 119*3 is non recoverable, plus potentially the 279*3. Or 119*3 plus the price of the original PCNs.

The consensus seems to be the V5C date is important.

Questions
I) Is the above correct as you understand it?

2. If we find out the V5C was updated a long time after moving in (as I say, I think this is unlikely but I really can't be sure), do we still have a case for appeal or does this fall on us?

3. What if I can't find the info from the DVLA?

4. The council have asked for the appeal form to be sent to them - I'm not sure if it's PE2 or PE3? It's within 36 days of these CDER letters, but obviously a lot longer than that from the initial PCNs?

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Penalty Charge Notice; CDER debt collection letter; Moved address. ?Possibly ballif stage.
« on: September 03, 2024, 08:42:15 am »
Sorry, I think the date on the original post is slightly off. All five were December 2022, all within the same week, but only two stickers appeared on the car (hence us knowing about only two of them).

That answer is very helpful thank you.

I can't see how I would know previous dates of V5C address change unfortunately, but given we had just moved in, it makes sense that the letters would have gone to the previous address before switching over, hence us not receiving them.

So, i) is this £75 charge from CDER something we have to pay (regardless of whether they become PCNs)?
ii) is the cost of letting this go to a county court judge more expensive than the PCNs themselves anyway (i.e. around £600)?
iii) if it did go to the judge as you suggest is really the only option now, how are they likely to rule given the circumstances?

Thanks again

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Penalty Charge Notice; CDER debt collection letter; Moved address. ?Possibly ballif stage.
« on: September 02, 2024, 11:33:19 pm »
Yes, there are three addresses (I.e. the car was registered to a previous address before we moved in December 2022, and then we moved again in November 2023).

1. I don't know when we updated the log book address as I don't have a record of it unfortunately.
2. Yes there is a chance it was registered at the previous address (but I'd have thought unlikely as I would have expected us to have to update it in December 2022 to get the council parking permit in the first place).

Either way we didn't receive the letters at the time.

The car is not leased no.

Thanks

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Penalty Charge Notice; CDER debt collection letter; Moved address. ?Possibly ballif stage.
« on: September 02, 2024, 09:54:01 pm »
Thanks.

Yes it was updated in December 2023. So has been correct for around 9 months, but can't be sure about when we received the PCN.

Does this change the approach either way?

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Penalty Charge Notice; CDER debt collection letter; Moved address. ?Possibly ballif stage.
« on: September 02, 2024, 09:33:54 pm »
Yes, that's correct.

Address on the V5C logbook is now our current address (i.e. not the address we were living at during the initial PCN), however at the time of the issue I'm not so sure whether it had been updated or not given it was so early after we moved.

We lived at the property for a year after the incident though (moved to this property November 2023), so I'd be surprised if I hadn't updated the logbook address in all that time.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Penalty Charge Notice; CDER debt collection letter; Moved address. ?Possibly ballif stage.
« on: September 02, 2024, 08:08:38 pm »
Good evening - thanks in advance for any help you can give me with the below issue which I imagine is a little unusual.

1. L B of Islington (Road Traffic) (JBW)
Thane Villas [Zone F] Waiting and Loading. Code 1 restricted street during prescribed hours.

2. Parked on double yellow lines, next (but outside of) marked bay on 12/12/2022.
We were new to the area having only just moved in recently and did not know where the bays were.
It was snowing with thick snow and so none of the road markings were visible on parking initially, hence the reason for parking on double yellows.
When coming back to the car on 22/08/2022 we had two PCNs on the windshield (and could see the car was on double yellows).
We moved the car to the space (we had a permit and were entitled to park on the road for this whole period, if in a space).
I don't believe we ever received a letter regarding the PCNs (just the two on the windshield).

We emailed the council at the time, with pictures of the snow in the street that we had taken on the day by chance.
They agreed to cancel one PCN (£65) as a " gesture of goodwill", however we paid the other (£65).

We have moved to a different address and have just come home to find three letters from a debt collector 'CDER group', regarding three PCNs during this same parking period (14th, 19th and 20th December 2022).

Location: Thane Villas [Zone F] Waiting and Loading. Code 1 restricted street during prescribed hours.

The three letters are each demanding £279, due to a £204 alleged debt and £75 charge from CDER. This therefore totals around £800.

This is the first we have heard about these three PCNs, despite discussion with Islington council at the time about the other two PCNs.
Islington never got in touch, but the CDER letters were only issued three days ago.

Attached are the new letters.
Also attached is the original appeal email sent in January 2023, and an updated email we sent tonight (before we had the idea of getting advice sorry).

https://imgur.com/a/yABuViB

We would really appreciate any help! (Re: right to appeal given it is so long, what the next steps we should take are).

Thanks

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