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Speeding and other criminal offences / Re: S172 & Late NIP
« on: August 20, 2025, 04:50:19 pm »
Thanks for this. First stage is that I have submitted the S170 with an unequivocal answer but have also highlighted the late NIP and see what their next step is.

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Speeding and other criminal offences / Re: S172 & Late NIP
« on: August 20, 2025, 01:41:30 pm »
Thanks for the responses. Are there any / many cases of successful rebuttal of presumption on record?

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Speeding and other criminal offences / S172 & Late NIP
« on: August 20, 2025, 11:25:28 am »
Hello,

I am the RK of the car in question and the address on the V5 matches my address.

I received yesterday (19/08) by second class post a letter from Durham Police (letter dated 14/08) purporting to be a reminder to respond to a S172 notice. This notice is claimed to have been sent on 24/07 in relation to a speeding offence dated 19/07.The letter states I must respond to the S172 within 7 days of the date of the covering letter (ie by 14+7 = 21/08) which is tomorrow.

The letter also includes a NIP 'should you have mislaid the original notice'. The NIP is dated 14/08.

I did not receive any previous correspondence relating to this previously in any form whatsoever. I am an accountant and have an orderly method of collecting, reviewing, addressing and filing all mail that comes to my home address as a reasonable amount of mail is business-related. I can be quite categorical that this is the first correspondence I've received on this.

I have also logged in today and viewed pictures of the 'ping' and a calibration certificate of the unit in question (cert. dated 11 Dec 2024). I can provide copies of these if deemed necessary.

The alleged speed is 80mph on a 70mph-limited dual carriageway. I have received 2 photos, one showing 80mph and the second taken two seconds later showing 79mph.

The 14 day period to issue a NIP has clearly been missed, but how might I prove not having received something?. I'd appreciate some advice as to how best to proceed. I presume in any case I must respond to the S172. Is it worth writing back by return to state the above facts and see what response is given?

Many thanks



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Speeding and other criminal offences / Re: NIP - question on dates
« on: September 09, 2024, 05:38:58 pm »
And a course was duly offered (and accepted). Many thanks for your help.

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Speeding and other criminal offences / Re: NIP - question on dates
« on: August 30, 2024, 02:07:46 pm »
Thanks for your replies. Seems like the best approach is to reply on the basis that a SAC will be forthcoming. If it isn't offered, I may revert for more advice!

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Speeding and other criminal offences / Re: NIP - question on dates
« on: August 30, 2024, 10:27:30 am »
So to be clear, the current SP30 / 3pts is not a bar to being offered a SAC, given the date of the previous SAC (Jan 2020) is more than 3 years ago?

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Speeding and other criminal offences / Re: NIP - question on dates
« on: August 30, 2024, 10:13:32 am »
OK, so it seems as if a speed awareness course could be offered as the driver previously did one in January 2020.

Having said that, one wonders why a SAC wasn't offered for the July 2023 offence (which was also 38 in a 30, in E&W, etc....). 

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Speeding and other criminal offences / Re: NIP - question on dates
« on: August 30, 2024, 10:02:07 am »
Hi thanks for that, very useful

Speed was 38 in a 30

Driver already has 3pts SP30 from July 2023

What are the circumstances under which a speed awareness would be offered?

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Speeding and other criminal offences / NIP - question on dates
« on: August 30, 2024, 08:23:29 am »
Good morning

I received a NIP in the post yesterday (29th August) dated 20 August 2024 in relation to an alleged offence exceeding speed limit on a 30mph road. The alleged offence date was 25 July 2024.

The car in question was bought from a main dealer on 12 July and the sale registered with the DVLA on that date.

From the online NIP I can see the following series of nominations:

Notice sent on 29/07/2024 at 08:35:05
New driver nominated on 07/08/2024 at 15:51:45
New driver nominated on 08/08/2024 at 07:56:40
New driver nominated on 21/08/2024 at 08:14:50

NB the latest driver was nominated the day after my NIP is dated (?!)

Is there likely to be any scope with dates here, as DVLA was updated with my details promptly.

Meanwhile I presume I must reply to the NIP as required within 28 days of the date (20 August?). Would there be any mileage in delaying a response?

Happy to provide more details later today if needed.

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