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Personally I would carry on, as you obviously had no choice in how to proceed.

I also have a possible argument about the camera approval, but I'm still investigating its viability.

I can't give you any guarantees, but I do think you have better than even odds if you want to carry on. If you chose to do so, I'm happy to represent you at the tribunal.
Thanks for this. Please do let us know about the approval and the validity of the camera and whether there's any wrongdoing on behalf of the council.

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Hi All,

So Manchester City Council have responded to my appeal/representation and have rejected my appeal. I have uploaded all sides of the rejection here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/198760434@N04/with/53064145104/

I would be grateful if I get some steer on the odds of success going to a tribunal / independent adjudicator based on what I have submitted so far.

Your help would be greatly appreciated once again. Many Thanks

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I submitted my representation early this morning. Any ideas how quickly do they reply with a decision?

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Looks like it's working now. Many thanks again. Really appreciate it

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Removed the spaces from the youtube url and launched in youtube and it is showing as video is processing. Any idea?

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The first response from me was replying indicating my intention to appeal.  The 2nd was when they provided me a link to the viewmypcn site but only showing the footage which you saw. To which I replied stating that I need 3 minutes of video footage preceding what they have made available. The 3rd message from me was to request a status update on the 2nd request. Not sure they will reply and provide this footage that I have requested which will show them the difference my situation and the situation I posted over the weekend where the two drivers successfully reversed back to avoid entering the bus gate.

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Thanks, really appreciate it. The two communications you can see from me is my initial request to ask for the extended video preceding what they have made available on the pcn and then a follow up to ask for a status of the request. They have not replied to either request. Am I OK to submit my challenge per your advice?

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Hi All,

So I went back to road this afternoon on foot and took some pictures and video of the advance sign and the sign on the entry to the bus gate (Video and pictures located here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/198760434@N04/with/53064145104/

Have to say they match what is on google maps. I did miss the advance sign as there was 1 large van in front of me as I was passing it by and was glancing at my Sat Nav at the time. What I see in the video is that there are couple of posts with other signs partially obscuring the advance bus gate sign so not sure if that could be highlighted. I did then notice in the video that I recorded today, that there is a diversion and road ahead closed sign at the traffic lights before the bus gate entrance. These signs weren't there on the 10th July 2023 the date of the alleged contravention.

If you refer to video footage I have provided in the link above, 1 minute and 40 seconds in you will see 2 vehicles trying to turn back and on this occasion succeeding and thus not entering the bus gate. I was trying to do the same but the car behind was too close and refused to go back. Had it done the same as the 2 vehicles in the video I have provided, I too would have been able to turn back and avoided entering the bus gate thus not in contravention of the restriction. It is very frustrating. I still feel I should appeal on the 'Other Grounds' and looking at this link from this website: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1xnmj-f7F-2vJBWxrX7r2XWkb9GPOR0fj/view from the cancellation guide from Manchester City Council, I feel my case falls into the text below:

"Other Reasonable Grounds/Mitigating Circumstances
On occasions where the PCN was correctly issued, but there are mitigating
circumstances, the Council will take into consideration mitigation when
reaching a decision.
The Council has a duty to act fairly and proportionately and will exercise
discretion sensibly and reasonably.
We will also consider using our discretion to cancel a PCN in the following
circumstances:
● Where there is satisfactory evidence that the vehicle had broken down
and reasonable steps were taken to remove it as soon as possible
(evidence must be supplied)
● Where the interests of justice in the Council’s opinion require the
cancellation of the PCN."


Does anyone agree? If anyone could offer me a statement to that effect that I can put forward in my representation / appeal I would be really grateful. Happy for you to DM if you can also.

Have to re-iterate pedestrian and motorist safety was what I took into consideration in terms of not reversing. There was an opportunity prior to the car behind where I could have reversed but that is when many pedestrians where crossing directly behind that would have been dangerous and more serious than then contravening the restriction. So I believe some discretion needs to be taken into account and I feel justice here would be to cancel the PCN as I had no other choice. Anyone agree?

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Thanks All, will aim to get these pictures today or tomorrow.

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Thanks, I will try and see if I can over the weekend. I was travelling southbound and it's only one way. I believe this was 2 way until recently.

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All sides of the PCN are in the Flickr link in the earlier post

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