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I received a PCN from Barnet Council, which I wanted to make representations for.The date of alleged contravention was 4/12/2025 and the date of the Notice was 12/12/2025, it is currently 22/12 2025, so I am still withing the 14 days window to make Informal Representations.When I went to the website, it states "t would appear you have already been sent a Notice to Owner or Enforcement Notice. At this time you can only make a Formal Representation"Only 10 days has passed since the notice, so how come they state that Notice to Owner or Enforcement Notice has been sent?If I make a Formal Representation and it is not accepted, do I still get to pay the discounted charge?It states that if not paid within 28 days and no representations made, they will double the charge.What other grounds do I have to appeal this, it seems like they have broken their own rules, could that be grounds to get it overturned?

Hi, I know this is resurrecting an old thread.Basically, this process didn't work for me, and I'm not sure how it could work at all.In the end, Enfied Council just sent their side of it to the court and stated that they sent out the PCNs, and that's the end of it. Of course the court took the council's side, I lost and had to pay up.At the end of the day, the council will always say they sent out the PCNs, and the courts will always take the councils word over mine, so there was no point in going through the entire process.This has come back to my mind recently as the other week I got flashed by a traffic light camera, and I am waiting for the NIP to arrive. The 14 days are nearly up and I have not received anything, so now I'm worried, what if this happens again and I do not receive anything?Is there anything I can do in the meantime if I think I have got a ticket but not received a NIP?

Nothing really transpired during the exchange, I just emailed the parking team at Enfield Council the facts of the case as per what has been discussed here in the way of additional background information for when they recieve anything from the TEC.The response claims be be an automated response, rather than any dialogue with an actual person at the council. Basically standard working saying that the information would be added to the case notes, and in the meantime the notices will be frozen at the current ammount. It said that this could take up to 56 days.I was just concerned about the wording around if payment had already been made, as is the case, as I was pressured by the bailiff to make payment on the spot, and the council would close the case.Would the council not then see this as a final payment of all outstanding money and therefore close the case as completed?I can log onto the parking website, and the PCN is still active, the option to make a payment has disappeared, and it does say the the council have received additional information in relation to the PCN, so looks like it has not been closed yet.

I contacted Enfield Council by email setting out the details of the case so far, explaining that I had made a Statutory Declaration via the TEC.I received an automated message from the Council saying that the relevant notice would be put on hold at is current amount until they respond, however, they go on to say that if payment is received before we respond to your correspondence the Council will consider the matter closed.Does that mean, because I have paid the baliff already, the council will not take this any further and close the case?I had to pay the bailiff under duress, on the understanding that if I win my case, any money paid would be refunded.

Ok, thank you, I understand.I was hoping, and had been told somewhere that there was a four day working time for TEC to review the SD and contact the council to put hold to the enforcement order. This was however incorrect, the processing time by the TEC is 10 days, so would not happen in time to stop the bailiff.The total of the cost being recovered pre-baliff was £1,100 so not a small amount, thankfully, they only charged one off £235 for the "visit" rather than £235 per PCN.

Is it too late for me now, I have settled the debt now, not sure what the compliance stage fee is.If my OOT submission is denied, what happens next, and is this capped at £75 per PCN?

Well, that went well didn't it  Just had the bailiff knocking on my door.So, the enforcement notice only gave me only one week to pay before sending the bailiff round, I submitted the Statutory Declarations on the 1st of Feb, but I was advised by the TEC that they require 10 working days to process, so nothing got sent to the council to put a hold on the enforcement.The date was the 9th of February, which was Friday, bailiff knocked at my door at 08:00 today, Monday the 12th.I was told by the bailiff that if I made the payment now and my appeal was sucessful I would be able to claim my money back, not sure if that's true or not, but I did make the payment of £1,300 so lets hope that it is the case.Otherwise, just have to take it on the chin but that's a lot of money to pay for what should really have been only £260 for the four original tickets.

I did check this quite often initially, then I hadn't checked for a while, about 8 months have passed since the original contravention date, so I kind of thought that they hadn't taken it any further by that stage.The TEC told me that the OfR was made around 27th November, and I hadn't checked it at that time, and again, they should have sent this through the post giving me the opportunity to submit a SD.The council is Enfield Council.

I might go as far as saying it adds credibility. One piece of missing post, could be due to an issue with the postal system, but not 8, it points to there being a bigger issue somewhere. Especially as the Charge Certificates and Enforcement Notices did get delivered OK.The fact that I paid the two PCNs from the 27th April on time, which was after these other contraventions occurred, would also be in my favour, why pay the last one and not the ones before, makes no sense? And then why would I not have submitted the Statutory Declaration when I reviewed the OfR if I had received it?Hopefully it doesn't come to an N244, but if it does, I am happy to represent myself in court over this.

I have spoken to the good people at BAO who provided an excellent service. For a fee, they can complete the forms for you, which I chose to do for one set, both PE2 and PE3, I can apply the same justification wording to the remaining forms.The problem with using a County Court to sign the forms is, especially where I am, there is a booking system, I can't even get through to the booking line at my local CC, so not optimistic that I will be able to get a same day appoitment, my local solicitor only charged £5 per form, so with it in the end for such a small fee.What are the next steps of Enfield deny my request? do I get an opportunity to take this back to court?

I called the TEC this morning, and they pretty much confirmed what you have said, I need to complete both the PE2 and PE3 forms, get them countersigned by a solicitor and email them to the TEC, one email per PCN.I have now done this, they are saying that their turnaround time is 10 working days, and then the council would take another working day to notify the collection agency to put the bailiffs on hold pending their investigation. The deadline for payment of the enforcement order is 9th February, so it's tight, but assuming that even if the payment date of 9th February is missed, it will take some time before the bailiff comes knocking.Regarding the address, I don't think its that that's incorrect, something is going wrong within their processing.I initially received two PCNs which I paid, these were for a contravention after these ones discussed hereI then received Charge Certificates for the four that were missing PCNs, so they had the correct address for those.Then there was the Notice of Enforcement for all four, which arrived at the correct address.So, I am missing 4 x PCNs and 4 x OfRs, that's pretty strange.

Thanks, I did click the link provided above for BAO so hopefully they get back to me with something.On the normal Statuary Declaration form, you just tick the box with the reason you are making the declaration, in this case original PCN not received.For a late SD, it's different form, and you are only asked the reason for the late submission, in this case not having received the RfO.I still can't work out why these documents went "missing" makes no sense. As I said, I received two, which I promptly paid, so they must have all correct car and address details.These Charge Certificates have different reference numbers to the ones I paid.Basically they are all in pairs, one for each direction once a week on the same LTN. My wife used that route for work in a school she did once a week, so there and back was two contraventions. She did this for about three weeks, until we received a PCN, which we paid and did not go that route again.

Your summary is about right.After I received the Charge Certificates, I was waiting for the Order for Recovery so I could submit the statutory declarations. No idea why this has gone straight to enforcement, that's just not right, now I have only one week to pay up.I have been on hold with the TEC for the last hour, not answering my call.Even if I submit the late statutory declaration, will that get processed in time to stop the bailiffs?I have submitted a query to Bayliff Advice Online, awaiting their response.This is getting very frustrating and stressful. I would have been happy to pay the original PCNs, as I did with the ones I received.Is this all out of the hands of the council now, is there any point at this stage of talking to them?

I really don't understand, yes the references on the Charge Certificates match the ones on the enforcement notices.When I log onto they website as if to pay, I can see the evidence, so they are legitimate, but just didn't receive those PCNs.There is nothing unusual about the address, and I haven't had any other post go missing.Not sure if they sent the Order of Recovery at all or just went straight to enforcement?

Well, this one has been really strange.First of all we received two PCN for the same contravention in May, which we immediately paid.The after several weeks we received these 4 Charge Certificates, relating to PCNs that we never received dating back to March / AprilOur argument is that we would have paid the PCN if we received them, as we had paid the ones that we did receive. My wife only became aware that there was this LTN once we did receive the PCN.Now I only have until 09 Feb to pay before they start sending round bailiffs.