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Morning Hippocrates!

Trust your weekend was good!

Thanks for the update and will look out for a PM.

This council never gives up do they! Lol

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Morning Hippocrates and the forum!

Hope everyone has had a good weekend.

So as expected today I received the letter - Notice of Rejection of Representation when I sent back the appeal for the second time.

They have now sent me with the letter the Notice of Appeal to the traffic adjudicator.

I have attached the letter I received for you reference.

Link - https://imgur.com/a/DPzX2bR

Do let me know what you would advise for the next steps.

Thanks
j

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Noted on that thanks for the help.

Can I send this from my email address? (as she’s not good at checking for emails and I don’t want to miss this one)

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Noted.

So for the next stage of appeal this is the independent adjudicator then after is the tribunal?

When would I get my wife to sign that I am doing this ?

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But surely like a driving fine for speeding this can go in the name of the person who did it?

I would need to address it in the next letter so that my wife isn’t taken to court and it’s me who is :-)

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As I will be taking over the case in my name should I make this clear in the next appeal as I was the one driving and wouldn’t want it in her name

Will await your feedback

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See the letter received in the images links here

https://ibb.co/GQwFv2L
https://ibb.co/zJXjLHf
https://ibb.co/mBXbvYZ
https://ibb.co/gFKzRjp

Will await your next steps

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Also they are still sending the letter addressed to my wife who owns the vehicle but I was the one driving and taking this over.

I would need to put that in the next stage so they contact me and not here lol!

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Hi Hippocrates

Hope you’re have been well and had a good week.

I have received in the post the next letter titled Enforcement Notice.

Would I forward the same appeal to this stage?

Will await your feedback.

Thanks

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Haha! Thanks for the info.

I look forward to having some fun with this one :-)

Will ping a reply when the enforcement is received in the post!

Have a good evening

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Evening Hippocrates and the forum,

Hope you’re having a good week!

So as expected today I got the response from Waltham Forest Council Who have rejected the appeal … surprise surprise.

Response is here:

Thank you for your correspondence regarding the above Penalty Charge Notice (PCN) and after considering all the evidence the Authority is satisfied that the contravention occurred and that the PCN was issued correctly.
The PCN was issued because the CCTV evidence confirms that the vehicle travelled in a bus lane thereby contravening the bus lane regulations.
Whilst I appreciate your circumstances, they do not warrant the cancellation of the PCN.
The signing of the Bus Lane in question, is in accordance with the governments Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions - which state that signs must be no more than 185 meters apart. It is not a TSRGD requirement to install a end of bus lane sign and TfL no longer use this on their bus lanes as they consider it unnecessary clutter.
Lines clearly become worn and faded in varying degrees from time to time. However, they are still enforceable if they are substantially clear and compliant and not misleading to the motorist. Having considered the photographic evidence, the Authority is satisfied that the bus lane markings are clear and enforceable.
The London Local Authorities Act 2000 enabled Authorities to issue PCNs by CCTV although there was no legal requirement until 31 March 2009 for an approved device to be used by an Authority. Our Certificate of approval was issued by this date.
To view our approval on the website please go to: www.gov.uk/government/publications/list- of-certifications-granted-for-approved-devices.
Keeping buses moving is an essential part of improving public transport and reducing traffic congestion. All of the borough’s bus lanes are clearly identified by road markings and signage. The operational hours of bus lanes i.e. when other vehicles are not allowed to drive in them, are identified on the roadside signs, operation times may vary, and if there is no time restriction on the sign, the bus lane is operational at all times.
Under sections 5 & 8 of the RTA, a vehicle must not drive, park, or stop in a bus lane during its period of operation unless the signs indicate that the vehicle may do so.

I am therefore satisfied that the PCN was issued correctly and you remain liable for the charge.

To view the footage at the time the penalty was issued you can visit: www.walthamforest.gov.uk/ocm
You will need to enter your PCN number and vehicle registration mark.
Your informal representation made prior to the Enforcement Notice has been rejected on this occasion. As your correspondence was received within the discount period the reduced amount of £65.00 will be accepted as full payment of this Penalty Charge if payment is received within 14 days beginning with the date on which this letter was served.
You now have two options:
Option1:
Pay the reduced Penalty Charge of £65.00 within 14 days of service of this letter and the case will be closed.
Option 2:
Make a Formal Representation against the Enforcement Notice which will be sent to you if payment is not received within the time stipulated. Please be advised that at this stage the Penalty Charge will be payable at the full fine amount of £130.00.
If your formal representation is rejected an Appeals form will be sent to you with which you can make an appeal to the Independent Adjudicator. The Adjudicators decision is binding and can order the payment of costs against either the council or the registered keeper if either party has been particularly unreasonable.

The next step would be Option 2.

Would I be waiting for that to be received in the post?

Thanks

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Evening H!
To confirm this appeal has now been sent off to the council!

hope you have had a good day and will touch base on the forum when i get a reply!

Best
JRC

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Want me to wait for further PCNs or get this sent off?

thanks

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Many thanks! a lot of sleepless nights for a while!

here is the updated point 5:

Dear Waltham Forest

Ref: PCN: FR63196811  VRM:  WF68WJV

I make this initial challenge as follows:

1. The video evidence provided does not clearly show any signs allegedly passed or violated. Therefore, it follows that the alleged contravention is not proved.

2. The presence of a break in the solid white line within the road markings is confusing and misleading to motorists. This can contribute to unintentional lane changes.

https://i.ibb.co/G52vZs1/IMG-9998.jpg

3. Notably, there is no clear end of bus lane sign visible. I refer to the Traffic Signs Manual Chapter Three@9.3.9.  The end of a with flow bus lane will usually be obvious through the termination of the diagram 1049A marking. If considered necessary due to observed driver behaviour, an upright sign to diagram 964 (S9 4 11, see Figure 9-5) may be sited as shown in Figure 9-1. The lane should normally be stopped short of the Stop line at traffic signal controlled junctions.  I refer to para. 9.3.13.  Where a nearside bus lane passes a junction with a major left turning flow into the side road, the line to diagram 1049A should be replaced with a broken line to diagram 1010 (see Figure 9-1). The broken line should commence 30 m in advance of the junction, and have the same width as the line to diagram 1049A. It should be accompanied by the arrow to diagram 1050 indicating a left turn (see Figure 9-6). At other junctions, the diagram 1049A marking should be terminated approximately 10 m before the junction (or at the junction if the minor road is one way towards the major road). In each case the bus lane recommences beyond the junction in combination with a marking to diagram 1010 (see Figure 9-1). It is important to ensure that the marking to diagram 1049A is terminated correctly, so that drivers turning left can move across to do so safely without needing to cross the continuous line.  Given the camera only focusses on the final 33 metres, it is arguable that  the observed behaviour will constitute  a large majority of motorists clipping the end.

Clearly, there used to be an End of Bus Lane sign. I also rely upon this High Court ruling:

R(Oxfordshire County Council) v The Bus Lane Adjudicator [2010]EWHC 894 (Admin) Mr Justice Beatson confirmed that, Para 65. The Defendant's submission that the fact that signs are prescribed or authorised does not mean they are sufficient for securing adequate information as to the effect of an order is made available to road users is clearly correct. If the signs do not in fact provide adequate information no offence is committed;


4. I put you to  strict proof that the camera used for monitoring and enforcement satisfies the criterion of admissibility of evidence at the Tribunal, as outlined in Para 7(2) of Schedule 1 of The London Local Authorities Act 1996 (as amended) and Part II.

5. Mitigating circumstances:  I was returning home quickly whilst my wife was in labour at the nearby Whipps Cross Hospital where I have resided between 07/08/2024 to 11/08/2024 whilst my wife and baby were under serious care by the maternity doctors at the hospital.


In light of the above, please cancel the said PCN.

Yours faithfully

Reg. keeper
Address

I will look to send this off at the end of the week whilst I wait for any other PCN letter to appear in the post. If any more appear then as you said earlier this would be updated.

Many thanks
JRC

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Looks absolutely great!!!!!!! wow!

For point 5 shall i keep it short and sweet as you have minus the etc etc or elaborate more?

thanks

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