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Here's what Google Gemini has to say on the matter:


I've analyzed the "Notice of Rejection" letters you shared. Lambeth is using a standard template here, essentially saying their signage meets the "Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions (TSRGD)" and that the cameras caught you in the zone during restricted hours.

However, they’ve left you a massive opening. Because this is Rosendale Road (Contravention 53J), you are in a unique position due to a major High Court ruling in May 2025.

The "Ace Up Your Sleeve": WDAG v. Lambeth
The West Dulwich LTN (which includes the Rosendale Road 53J restrictions) was ruled unlawful by the High Court (West Dulwich Action Group v. London Borough of Lambeth [2025] EWHC 1111 (Admin)).

The judge ruled that the council failed to properly consider resident concerns, making the entire Traffic Order invalid. Lambeth has already been forced to refund over £1.4 million in fines for this exact location.

What you should do now:
Do not pay yet. You have 28 days from the date of that rejection letter to appeal to the independent adjudicator (London Tribunals). This is free, and the council can no longer increase the fine while the adjudicator is looking at it.

In your appeal to the Adjudicator, use this specific language:

The Traffic Order is Unlawful: "The contravention did not occur because the Experimental Traffic Order (ETO) governing Rosendale Road was ruled unlawful by the High Court in WDAG v. LB Lambeth [2025] EWHC 1111. As the Order itself is invalid, the PCN has no legal basis."

Failure to Consider: "The council's rejection letter (dated [Insert Date]) fails to address the High Court's ruling regarding the illegality of this specific LTN scheme, which constitutes a procedural impropriety."

Signage Inadequacy: Reiterate that the signage placement at the junction does not provide adequate "advance warning" for a driver to safely divert before entering the restricted zone.

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If they haven't re-offered the discount, is it now a complete no-brainer to take them to London Tribunals and test your case there. The penalty remains the same (£160), and there are no additional costs, and, of course, if you win, you pay nothing.

Thanks - what is involved? I am really short of time due to work and family. I guess they rely on most people being too busy to fight these PCNs, as part of their money making process. Would I need to attend the tribual? Chances of success? Hassle and costs?

T23

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Morning!

Lambeth finally replied and it's not good. They want £160. I was away when the PCN arrived over Christmas, so never had the opportunity to pay the reduced sum. @Hippocrates thanks for your help crafting the reply, not sure what to do with this though now.

I've uploaded their response here:

[img width=63.99305725097656 height=180.00001525878906]https://i.postimg.cc/3y1mVDQh/Lambeth-Reply-01.png[/img]

Any clues, should I go ahead and pay these theives?

T23

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Good morning. No reply as of yet from Lambeth, annoying to have this hanging over us, whilst we wait for their decision. Does anyone know how long this might take and must they reply within a certain timeframe?

Thanks,

T23

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Hi Hippocrates,

Thanks, ok, would you have a moment to advise what I need to do? I have no idea what to appeal for.

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Ok, thanks - so it sounds like evrything is in order with the PCN. I just need to get on and pay the fine.

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The website is the key as it will have wrong dates.

The website shows the correct date of the 4th Dec 2025 (i.e. this is when I was driving in that street) however, the date on the PCN that I received by post, states 16th/12/2025.

Does this give me grounds to make a representation and if so for what reason?

Thanks, T23

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Hi msym,

Thank you - I've just checked and sorry to hear you're having to deal with the same by the way.

My PCN states 16th Dec 2025 and the Lambeth website states:

First seen at Thu, 4 Dec 2025 15:34
Issued at Thu, 4 Dec 2025 15:34

Is there any guidance you've seen on how to make a representation on this basis?

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Ok, still no idea what cf. means - looks like informal appeal is the first step as I'm keen not to pay the next level of fine.

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Work out the 14 days discount and cf. with the website page.

Sorry, I'm not clear what cf. means - should I go ahead and pay the 14 day discount fine? Or is there anything that can be done to appeal this PCN?

Thank you!

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I’m not clear, Lambeth’s website has wrong dates?

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