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Thank you for your response. My apologies for the confusion; the documents I received didn’t make it clear that online submission was an option. They simply provided a box on the paper for my appeal and tick boxes for reasoning. There was no mention of email contact or online submission, which is why I considered sending it by post.

Thank you for your patience and assistance.


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Do I need to include my map in my appeal, or will the previously submitted appeal suffice?

The notice also states that I need to appeal within 28 days from the date of the notice or from when it was delivered. I believe I received it on the 6th or 7th of September, but how can I prove that?

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Thank you. I have attached the revised map.

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Apologies, yes, my map was incorrect; however, the route I took is the same.

Thank you for sending these documents. What do I do with them? Should I include a map in my appeal?

Also, the 133a tile is not on page 8. I'm not sure how to proceed with this information.

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Thank you for your feedback on my appeal draft.

Here is the revised draft following your advice:

I parked on the double yellow lines in **** due to the necessity of loading items from *** (address). The items consisted of two boxes of children's stationery and a flat-packed table, which were substantial in weight, thereby necessitating the use of a car for transportation. I chose a route from my car to the premises that was both the shortest and safest possible to comply with the criteria of necessity and proximity.

During the few minutes the CEO observed my car, it seems they were unable to witness the loading activity, leading to the issuance of the PCN. Now, with the authority aware of the circumstances surrounding the incident, including the active loading taking place at that time, I hope for the consideration of the cancellation of the PCN.

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Here is my appeal letter:

Dear Sir/Madam,

I am writing to formally appeal the Penalty Charge Notice (PCN) issued to me on 15th June 2023, with reference to PCN number SU75942354. I believe this PCN was unjustly issued, and I wish to provide a comprehensive explanation, taking into account all relevant details of the case.

Firstly, I must highlight that my vehicle was parked on double yellow lines, not single yellow lines, as incorrectly referred to in your initial rejection letter.

I acknowledge that double yellow lines typically indicate no waiting at any time, but they also come with specific exemptions, one of which is for loading and unloading. As clearly outlined in the parking regulations, vehicles engaged in loading or unloading are exempt from enforcement on double yellow lines during the prescribed hours.

To provide a complete picture of the circumstances:

Nature of stop: On the day in question, my vehicle made a brief stop lasting no more than 5 minutes. This stop was solely for the purpose of loading boxes and furniture, which I was assisting a friend in moving from a nearby shop.

Contents of the load: The items being loaded included two boxes of merchandise, primarily comprising children's stationery items such as markers and notebooks, and a flat-packed table. The nature of these items was such that they could be comfortably accommodated on the back seat of my car.

Considerate parking: I was conscious of not obstructing the flow of traffic or inconveniencing other road users. I ensured that the loading process was completed swiftly, given the constraints of the location, which made it impractical to park in a car park or elsewhere due to the weight and bulk of the items.

High street restrictions: Parking on the high street, where the shop was located, is typically prohibited due to the presence of bollards that restrict access. This necessitated parking as close as possible while avoiding any hindrance to the shops' rear entrances.

I must reiterate that the initial rejection of my appeal was based on a significant error in referring to single yellow lines instead of double yellow lines. I kindly request a thorough review of my appeal this time, taking into account the correct road markings and the associated loading exemptions that apply.

In light of the circumstances presented above, I firmly believe that my actions were well within the boundaries of the law, as they pertained to the loading and unloading provisions on double yellow lines. I respectfully request that the PCN be cancelled, and any related penalties or charges be waived.

I have enclosed copies of evidence supporting my challenge, including photographs [or any other relevant documentation]. Your prompt attention to this matter and a fair reconsideration of my appeal would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you for your time and understanding.

Yours faithfully,



Can I print this on a separate page or do I need to fit it into the box provided?

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As my vehicle was clearly being loaded with boxes and furniture during the time it was parked, I believe I was within the bounds of the exemption.

But it's not clear that it was being loaded, that's the point.

Once a CEO has observed a vehicle for a reasonable period of time and not observed loading then the burden of proving the exemption falls to the motorist, in this case you.

So what are you required to prove:
As yours was not a commercial activity, that the car was necessary for transporting the goods;

That you were not in contravention for any longer than necessary.

If you don't tell the authority the size, weight, type of items then you invite them to reject your claim. Similarly, IMO you need to tell them why you did not park in the High Street outside or closer to the premises in question. From your description, the premises might be within the 'no vehicles' zone, but why didn't you park elsewhere in the High St where there are DYL but no loading restrictions. At least tell them that you considered this but decided not to because......

True, it was not immediately clear what was being loaded as we were picking up the boxes, and I understand the confusion. In my appeal, I had emphasised that the CEO observed for a mere 2 minutes, which might not have been a sufficient duration to ascertain the activity happening at that time.

To address the concerns raised:

The necessity of the car for transporting the goods: The goods comprised two boxes of children's stationery items like markers and notebooks, and a flat-packed table. These items, though compact, were fairly heavy, making it necessary to use the car for transportation. Manually carrying them to a distant parking location would have been physically strenuous and time-consuming.

Duration of the contravention: I ensured that the car was parked for no longer than was absolutely necessary, which was a brief span of 5 minutes. This was the minimum time required to safely load the heavy items onto the car.

Regarding the choice of parking location, the high street outside the premises is a protected area with bollards, preventing vehicles from pulling up closer. This is why I did not park or pull up there. However, to minimise potential disruption and to respect the rules to the best of my understanding at that time, I chose a spot that was in closest proximity without blocking any rear entrances to the shops, thus ensuring I did not obstruct their loading processes.

Contents:
2x Markers box: 40 x 40cm x 25
Notebooks box: 35 x 40 x 30
Flat pack table: 75 x 50 x 15cm

I trust this additional information clarifies my actions and the necessity behind them. I appreciate your time.

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Please show us a copy of your representation, or if you don't have one, recreate it from memory as best you can.

Was your friend moving house? How many boxes are we talking about, and what was inside?
Please answer these questions. Also please confirm exactly what route was taken from the car to wherever you were taking these boxes to.

In the meantime I'll request the traffic order.

We are talking about a 5-minute stop to move boxes from a shop. The boxes contained some merchandise and some boxed furniture. I drew an approximate location for the pick-up.


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Thank you for getting back to me.

Here is my representation:

Dear Sir/Madam,

I am writing to formally challenge the Penalty Charge Notice issued to me on 15th June 2023, with reference to PCN number SU75942354. I believe this PCN was unjustly issued, as I was engaged in legitimate loading activities to assist a friend in their move, and my vehicle was parked for only a brief period of approximately 5 minutes.

I understand the importance of enforcing parking regulations for the efficient management of traffic and ensuring the smooth flow of vehicles. However, I would like to provide the following information and reasons to support my challenge:

1. Double yellow lines regulation: I am aware that double yellow lines apply "at any time" and do not require a time plate. However, according to the regulations, loading and unloading activities are permitted on double yellow lines.

2. Exemption for loading/unloading: The regulations explicitly state that vehicles engaged in loading or unloading are exempt from enforcement on double yellow lines during the prescribed hours. As my vehicle was clearly being loaded with boxes and furniture during the time it was parked, I believe I was within the bounds of the exemption.

3. Considerate parking and lack of obstruction: While parked on the double yellow lines, I made sure to position my vehicle in a considerate manner, ensuring it did not obstruct the flow of traffic or interfere with other road users. I aimed to load the items swiftly and efficiently to minimize any potential inconvenience caused to other motorists.

Based on the above-mentioned regulations and exemptions, I kindly request you to reconsider the PCN and cancel the penalty charge. I firmly believe that my actions were in accordance with the loading and unloading provisions on double yellow lines and did not warrant the issuance of a PCN.


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Slight delay with the post but here it is. Please advise

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Apologies for the delay, I have not paid the fine since, and I have not received any letter from the council.

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Yes, it does appear to be a templated response. I'm wondering how much time this entire process will demand from me if I do take them. Is there a specific online resource where I could familiarize myself with the entire procedure?

If it requires significant time and travel on my part, such as consuming my entire morning, I might be more inclined to just pay the fine. However, it is quite unsettling that they didn't seem to review my appeal thoroughly, and I now have to go out of my way to prove my point.





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Letter received

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Hello Everyone,

In mid-June, I received a Penalty Charge Notice (PCN), against which I filed an appeal because I was assisting a friend moving some boxes. However, I received a denial for my appeal last week. Interestingly, the letter refers to a single yellow line, even though I parked on a double yellow line. Also, they observed the car for merely two minutes, asserting that they should have witnessed some activity within this short span.

Given these circumstances, do I stand a chance of winning this case?




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