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Received a PCN whilst driving southbound of Crooms Hill SE10 / Nevada SE10 road. Greenwich council has provided an evidence from a camera which captures from the front and evidence is not showing the time restriction clearly in the images provided or in the video. It is also not clear from the evidence provided by the council if the sign is also appearing on the opposite side which is more important for the driver coming southbound. Can anyone help if this could be contested?

Please see attached photos and link to the video

https://imgur.com/a/OmgdLUW



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I did and my clock was clearly showing past 19:00 hence I crossed it.

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I would appreciate any response here please. Just an added information. Small advanced sign post on A206 road just before the right turn into Maze Hill road is literally before the traffic light and has no time restriction mentioned. Sign is also broken. In my view at this stage it is impossible to focus on the sign on the left hand side when the traffic ahead is slowing down to stop at the traffic light and this sign could easily be missed. Once you enter the Maze Hill road, there is no warning sign at the entrance of the road and first time the sign appears is actual restricted sign and there is no side road to avoid it from entering the Maze Hill road till the actual restricted sign post. See attached photo of advanced sign. Would appreciate views if the grounds are sufficient to over turn the PCN

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Received a PCN for getting entering into Maze Hill SE10 / Tom Smith Cl SE10. There is a sign on the A206 road about 50 yards before the right turn however, that sign does not show any timing. Please see attached photo. Restriction is lifted at 19:00 and the PCN I received is showing time of 18:58:59. I also checked on google maps and there is no sign appearing in the maps which means that sign has been active recently.  Do you think I can appeal on the ground that there should at least be a grace period of 5-10 minutes. To be honest, clock in my car was showing 19:00 and cross it assuming I should be fine. Any help would be much appreciated, I need to appeal as today is the last day.

Please see attached PCN and evidence provided by the Greenwich council



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OP, actually (sorry mickR) Procedural Impropriety, or PI, are grounds of appeal under parking legislation but not under moving traffic, which applies in your case. PI is not directly applicable.

However, the issue can be raised on the basis of a 'collateral challenge'. OP do not bother yourself about these technicalities, please.

As the discount isn't on offer then your next step is to register your appeal.

Contravention did not occur;


You can construct the detail later, we'll give you these.

@HCA - Please see below draft to register appeal that I have crafted based on previous threads on this matter and facts. Could you please let me know, if this would work? Would appreciate help here.

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I would like to challenge liability for PCN LJ28599954 because the alleged contravention quite blatantly did not occur as the original PCN:
• mis-stated the time-period mandated by London Local Authorities and Transport for London Act 2003,
• oncoming vehicle was neither impeded nor was there any risk of a collision.

I have following facts to challenge why contravention did not occur:
• In any event the PCN is invalid because it mis-stated the time-period mandated by paragraph 5(2)(a) of Schedule 1 to the London Local Authorities and Transport for London Act 2003, this should be 28 days from the date of service of the notice rather than 28 days from the date of the notice mentioned in the original PCN received on 27/05/2024.
• Lambeth Council informal representation rejection letter dated 05/07/2024 and Lambeth online PCN payment portal has raised a Collateral Issue; Lambeth Council informal representation Rejection letter has given offer to pay discount charge £65 within 14 days from the date of the letter being served. Based on the  date of letter of 05/07/2024, date of service is 09/07/2024 and 14 days from the date of letter being served ends on 23/07/2024,  Lambeth council PCN payment portal shows outstanding amount of £130 (full amount of penalty) as of 22/07/2024 instead of £65 as per the offer made in the Lambeth Council informal representation rejection letter. Similarly Lambeth Council informal representation rejection letter has offered to pay £130 if the discount period was missed and states amount to be paid within 28 days from the date of the letter being served. Based on the date of the letter being served 09/07/2024, 28 days ends on 06/08/2024, however, Lambeth PCN payment portal threatens to increase the penalty charge to £195 on 23/07/2024. It is against the law to renege on the offer already made in informal representation rejection letter.
• Location of the incident i.e. Salter’s Hill has an arch of a bridge and a narrowed carriageway for the length of the arch with priority signs on both sides at the end of the narrow carriageway as defined by the Traffic Signs Regulations and General Direction 2016 and the Traffic Signs Manual Chapter 3. Priority sign states 'Give way to oncoming vehicles' without a specified distance over which the priority applies (diagram 615 within s4 of chapter 3). The legal interpretation of the combination of signs (615 and 811A) is given in the Traffic Signs Manual Chapter 3 and explained under 4.8.3s i.e. unless limits of the priority section are obvious e.g. through the arch of a bridge, the traffic sign indicating the priorities should include the distance over which the priority applies. Given distance was not mentioned in this case at Salter’s Hill location, the driver is therefore entitled by virtue of this omission and the presence of obvious limits i.e. the arch of the bridge and narrowed carriageway (distance between two priority signs) to consider that as limits of the priority section do not extend beyond the arch and narrowed . It is indisputable that there was no oncoming vehicle in the priority section from the video posted by Lambeth council when my car entered this priority section. Lambeth council considers that any vehicle which their camera can see approaching from the opposite direction, even if nowhere near the priority section in their direction, represents potentially impeded traffic. I would like to refer to a similar past cases in the tribunal (Case reference: 2190557850 - Tim Allen vs. London Borough of Lambeth and Case reference: 2210453760 – Joseph Cartwright vs. London Borough of Lambeth) in which judgement was passed in favour of the appellant on the ground that priority section is defined between the two signs (615 and 811A) and the oncoming vehicle was not in the priority section and the oncoming vehicle should meet priority sign for establishment of the requirement of give way. Based on the judgement of these two cases along with the facts stated above, there is no doubt that contravention did not occur.   

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Thanks MickR for clarification. Will that be enough as a ground for tribunal appeal?

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Could you please clarify what does PI means?

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Please see below link to snapshot of the wording stated on Lambeth PCN view link. It states amount will increase to £195 on 23rd July. I am surprised by this given I am still under 14 days discount period. Can this be used as an argument as well for tribunal appeal?

 I would appreciate if I can get some guidance on what can be the grounds to appeal to tribunal based on the video link, photos and below link to Lambeth PCN view.

Lambeth website PCN view link:
https://imgur.com/a/ZnIoD8O

PCN Photos link:
https://imgur.com/a/En6YgRM

Video link:
https://imgur.com/a/5amKHcy

Hi All,

I have time till tomorrow, I would really appreciate expert advise on the grounds for tribunal appeal based on my case above.

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Please see below link to snapshot of the wording stated on Lambeth PCN view link. It states amount will increase to £195 on 23rd July. I am surprised by this given I am still under 14 days discount period. Can this be used as an argument as well for tribunal appeal?

 I would appreciate if I can get some guidance on what can be the grounds to appeal to tribunal based on the video link, photos and below link to Lambeth PCN view.

Lambeth website PCN view link:
https://imgur.com/a/ZnIoD8O

PCN Photos link:
https://imgur.com/a/En6YgRM

Video link:
https://imgur.com/a/5amKHcy

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It’s appearing on the Lambeth council PCN payment link. When I click on it, It automatically shows £130 outstanding

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There is no offer for discount. Council has already increased the charge to £130.

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Thanks for you comments. I would appreciate opinion from others as well, if anyone else has seen and dealt with similar cases before?

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Hi all,

I have received a PCN dated 27/05/24 from Lambeth Council for no give way on Salter's Hill bridge to oncoming vehicle to which I appealed which got rejected and received an appeal refusal letter dated 05/07/2024. I wanted to check if there is any point in appealing to tribunal or not. If yes, on what grounds? I have attached redacted PCN and appeal letter as well link to the video

Photos link:
https://imgur.com/a/En6YgRM

Video link:
https://imgur.com/a/5amKHcy

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Can I check what was the outcome of this case @244065013? I have been trapped by the council for exactly same situation, however my initial appeal was rejected by the council and now I need grounds to make my case for the tribunal

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